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02-10-2016 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
Zero? It's the same guy. Maybe the sequel will be in Vegas
Maybe there's a season 2 (or s3 - see spoiler), then. I guess it's not quite zero to do with the crimes in this show...but in the interest of those people ITT that don't know the story...

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You're right, his inability to earn income after the civil trial forced him into the off-the-grid transactions that led to his downfall in Vegas.

Speaking of future seasons, how does this sound? s1 the criminal trial, s2 the civil trial, s3 Vegas.
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02-10-2016 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
Maybe there's a season 2
They've already said S2 will have nothing to do with the Simpson case.

"The second installment will center on Hurricane Katrina and its devastating aftermath."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...-season-851993
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02-10-2016 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by coolnout
They've already said S2 will have nothing to do with the Simpson case.

"The second installment will center on Hurricane Katrina and its devastating aftermath."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...-season-851993
So we just get the criminal trial and not "The Saga of OJ"
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02-10-2016 , 03:54 PM
Really corny so far but I'll watch it all.
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02-10-2016 , 04:21 PM
it would be an awesome troll if they change the ending and make OJ innocent (like for reals- they find the "real killers")
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02-10-2016 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
it would be an awesome troll if they change the ending and make OJ innocent (like for reals- they find the "real killers")
Colombian coke dealers? Marcus Allen?
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02-10-2016 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
This whole series seems biased. Starting it off right after he murders two people and barely paying lip-service to his accomplishments in football and entertainment seems completely unfair imo. I really hope that Simpson gets the chance to respond with a mini-series of his own.
They could have left out the chase or the suicide/confession note, I mean that's what his defense team would have done.
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02-10-2016 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pindawg
They could have left out the chase or the suicide/confession note, I mean that's what the incompetent prosecutorswould have done.
...but I like what you did there.

Again, Marcia Clark is the only competent-looking character so far. If you didn't know the story, I imagine you'd be shocked to learn how badly she botched this case.
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02-10-2016 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by coolnout
They've already said S2 will have nothing to do with the Simpson case.

"The second installment will center on Hurricane Katrina and its devastating aftermath."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...-season-851993
Has Katrina even been indicted? Makes no sense given the name of the show.
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02-10-2016 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Yep.

As crazy as all that looked tonight, multiply it by about a hundred, and you'll begin to understand what it was like back then.
Yeah my biggest takeaway so far is in retrospect how big of an impact that crime, case and coverage impacted our culture going forward.
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02-10-2016 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
...but I like what you did there.

Again, Marcia Clark is the only competent-looking character so far. If you didn't know the story, I imagine you'd be shocked to learn how badly she botched this case.
Yea she was pretty bad. Ignoring what could have been key witnesses and not standing up for the LAPD (her witnesses) was a massive failure.
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02-10-2016 , 07:32 PM
so, Robert Kardashian was the most caring friend in the history of the earth, huh?
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02-10-2016 , 07:48 PM
Just in case we're spoiling well-known American history:

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Marcia Clarke was pretty much drawing dead given the makeup of the jury imo. But she definitely botched what she had control of.
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02-10-2016 , 10:13 PM
The biggest fail was Gil garcetti moving the trial from the jurisdiction it should have been in (west LA county) to downtown so they could have cameras in the courtroom etc. as above poster said, changed the jury pool immensely.

That and Ito killed off any small chance the defense had by allowing all kinds of race cards to get played

From LA times:

Garcetti defended his decision in a recent interview, contending that the case would have been moved Downtown even if he had filed it in Santa Monica.

"We always knew this case was going to be tried Downtown," Garcetti said. "We knew it couldn't be tried in Santa Monica. . . . It was a given . . . based on our experience and the history of big cases."

Although a number of current and former judges disagree, Garcetti cited several reasons: The Santa Monica courthouse suffered tremendous damage during the Northridge earthquake, the facility is too small, its court calendar was "grossly overcrowded" and it did not have adequate security to handle a long-term, high-profile trial. He added that the county had spent more than $1 million renovating courtrooms on the ninth floor of the Criminal Courts Building for high-profile cases such as Simpson.

"We took the position that it was automatic" that the case would be moved Downtown, Garcetti said.

From same article:

Before the trial began, according to sources, Garcetti had said privately that he was concerned that a conviction handed down by a mostly white Westside jury would "lack credibility." He also said that the "perception of justice" was very important in this case. At the time, sources said, Garcetti was convinced that prosecutors had overwhelming evidence against Simpson and did not think a Downtown jury would be a handicap.

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02-10-2016 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
That and Ito killed off any small chance the defense had by allowing all kinds of race cards to get played
yeah Clark talked about that in an article linked earlier itt

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When we first started talking, you mentioned what a difficult period in your life this was. Has the passage of time given you a different perspective?

I certainly have a deeper understanding of the racial issue now, and why that verdict came in how it did. I mean, I got it, of course I got it. I was there in court. I watched the jury every day as they folded their arms and sat back when I stood up and leaned forward and smiled when Johnnie stood up. It wasn't subtle. But especially now, in the last few years that we've seen these police shootings: Trayvon Martin, and then Eric Garner and Laquan McDonald. These things give me a more gut-level understanding of the mind-set that bought into the conspiracy theories. There was never any proof, and the defense never even got close to proving that evidence was planted. And every effort to do it became laughable. Which was really the reason why I argued before the trial started that they should not be allowed to bring in the race card, because there's no point in slamming Fuhrman for whatever he might be if he had no opportunity to do anything wrong. And initially, [Judge Lance Ito] ruled with me. And then the following day, F. Lee Bailey basically stood up and screamed at Ito, and Ito reversed himself. That to me was the turning point in the trial. Once you open the door and say, “Yes, we can bring in the race card,” it's the camel's nose. It became a donnybrook. And the whole trial got subverted.
i believe this is the clip of FLB arguing that point
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02-10-2016 , 10:39 PM
You really have to view the oj trial in relation to the Rodney King verdict and aftermath. They are very related, and episode 1 showed that well
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02-11-2016 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
Just in case we're spoiling well-known American history:

Spoiler:
Marcia Clarke was pretty much drawing dead given the makeup of the jury imo. But she definitely botched what she had control of.
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She had more control than you think. She WANTED a black, female jury. She thought black females would resent OJ chasing all that white tail.

The defense ran focus groups, which showed the demographic most sympathic to their client was BLACK FEMALES! Cochran could not believe his eyes during jury selection when he saw Clark trying to load the jury box with BF's. He even threw the challenge flag on a few of Marcia's BF's, just to camouflage his strategy.

How monumentally huge was this? In his victory speech on the courthouse steps, the first person Cochran thanked was his jury consultant.


And curses to the guy who pointed out that the fictional Kardashian is 3x the size of the fictional OJ.
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02-11-2016 , 11:20 AM
Loved the 2nd ep as much as the first. Also love the youtubes of what actually happened posted itt! I was born in 1987. I can remember all the trial stuff being a thing and my parents thinking he was guilty, but none of the minutiae. For me, and other ppl my age prolly, this is very fun.
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02-11-2016 , 11:43 AM
Schwimmer is really bringing it. That was an intense episode. I cant believe how nicely OJ was treated by the police & the people.
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02-11-2016 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Conz
so, Robert Kardashian was the biggest jock sniffer in the history of the earth, huh?
FYP
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02-11-2016 , 12:02 PM
For you guys who are in a tizzy about how nicely OK was treated by the authorities - you do realize he was jailed for nearly a year and a half without being convicted of crime, right?
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02-11-2016 , 12:13 PM
Keep trying
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02-11-2016 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
For you guys who are in a tizzy about how nicely OK was treated by the authorities - you do realize he was jailed for nearly a year and a half without being convicted of crime, right?
Not at this point in the story though.
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02-11-2016 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Conz
so, Robert Kardashian was the most caring friend in the history of the earth, huh?
That's certainly how I remember it. I was bummed to hear of his death a few years ago, and there are very few characters in this story I would mourn. I was delighted to learn that Schwimmer was cast in the role.

Loved Schwimmer looking baffled by the polygraph results.
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02-11-2016 , 03:53 PM
Marcia Clark thinks Trayvon Martin was shot by the police?
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