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Old 02-02-2018, 09:28 PM   #1
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What is a good 5/5 plo hourly?

Anybody have any clue what this may be? Whats a good one, and what are the top PLO playersí hourly?

I only have one friend to go off of and obviously itís not a big enough sample so Iím just trying to see if anybody is willing to share their stats. I donít have nearly enough hours so mine are skewed.

I was having a discussion with another player at a table last week and he estimated the top players to be about $100. I thought otherwise... any thoughts?

This is for live poker only. 5/5 plo, 2/5 plo, or 5/10 plo works too. I guess we can stick with casino poker and maybe the occasional Home game or no home game at all.

Primarily looking for players with over 1k+ hours, if not I guess 500+ can work as well.
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Old 02-02-2018, 11:04 PM   #2
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Casino- best players at $80-$120
Home game- $150-200 but less xx% depending on their game due to lack of getting paid
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:11 AM   #3
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depends how deep the stacks are
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Old 02-03-2018, 12:15 PM   #4
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5/5 plo with what buyin limits?
Are there straddles?
Are there restraddles?
9 handed or short handed?
Get where were going?

And for god sakes dont get into theoretical poker hourly discussions at the poker table. Talk about sports, tits, stocks, hell even bitcoin (which i hate hearing about at the table) but anything other than poker related topics.
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Old 02-03-2018, 03:06 PM   #5
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50% of the time there are straddles.
Average buyin $500-2000
9-handed

Why so bitter? Some people might not mind it but Iíll be sure to remember not to talk to you..

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5/5 plo with what buyin limits?
Are there straddles?
Are there restraddles?
9 handed or short handed?
Get where were going?

And for god sakes dont get into theoretical poker hourly discussions at the poker table. Talk about sports, tits, stocks, hell even bitcoin (which i hate hearing about at the table) but anything other than poker related topics.
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Old 02-03-2018, 05:17 PM   #6
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Re: What is a good 5/5 plo hourly?

10BB/hour seems to be considered a top-level win rate for NL. Some people seem to think that PLO tends to play about twice as big as NL at the same blinds (more if you straddle often), so 20BB/hour seems right maybe 25 if it is straddled half the time, unless straddling makes people raise pre less often.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:54 PM   #7
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I apologize if I sound bitter. It was just an honest response to your post. If you want to improve your hourly, try not talking poker theory/strategy at the table. Youll get invited to better games, make the recs more welome, and as a result 1.5x-2x your hourly. Dont believe me? Give it a try.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:40 AM   #8
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Re: What is a good 5/5 plo hourly?

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50% of the time there are straddles.
Average buyin $500-2000
9-handed

Why so bitter? Some people might not mind it but Iíll be sure to remember not to talk to you..
PLO crowd in this forum does seem like an angry bunch!

My first inclination was to give you the benefit of the doubt in that it was a semi private conversation even though it was at the table.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:49 PM   #9
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I apologize if I sound bitter. It was just an honest response to your post. If you want to improve your hourly, try not talking poker theory/strategy at the table. Youll get invited to better games, make the recs more welome, and as a result 1.5x-2x your hourly. Dont believe me? Give it a try.
I gave you the answers to the factors you needed for the hourly but you still didnít answer my question...
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:51 PM   #10
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PLO crowd in this forum does seem like an angry bunch!

My first inclination was to give you the benefit of the doubt in that it was a semi private conversation even though it was at the table.
Of course it was private. We were sitting in the one and two seat, three seat was away from the table and nobody else heard our convo.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:52 PM   #11
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depends how deep the stacks are
Letís say $500-2000. Whatís your number?
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:40 AM   #12
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Re: What is a good 5/5 plo hourly?

Given the info you provided, I'd say:

Best players in the game: (likely top 2-3 guys in the whole player pool) $100-130
Good regs: $60-100
Bad regs: $25-45
Regfish : $-10 - $15
Fish and whales: various hourlies

Depends on the reg to fish ratio, hands per hour, how deep stacks tend to get, etc too but these are rough estimations
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:10 AM   #13
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I think those are radical overestimates.

It depends on the line up obviously but I'd be surprised if anymore than 3 people were long term winners at your average live 5/5PLO game in a casino. One of them is probably crushing, the other two are probably eeking out a small hourly, and that's best case scenario.

Worst case scenario is probably one person doing well / crushing and everyone else losing or breaking even.
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Old 02-05-2018, 12:39 PM   #14
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I guess I'm thinking of Vegas or LA which have very large player pools -- in a casino with a 15-20 person player pool the numbers could be lower or there would be very few people at each of the "reg" levels and more regfish types etc. Also assuming most 5/5 games have a lot of straddles. In any event the biggest winners in a 5/5 PLO player pool will have a higher winrate in nearlay all cases than the bigger winners in a 2/5 NL player pool even if there's not a lot of straddling going on
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:33 PM   #15
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Live plo can be quite lucrative, but the hourly can vary quite a bit on individual game dynamics. Specifically, how big is the game playing and how bad are the weakest players. $25/hr is still quite respectable though I agree with the thread consensus that the best players will normally make at least 3x that.
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Old 02-05-2018, 11:45 PM   #16
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50% of the time there are straddles.
Average buyin $500-2000
9-handed

Why so bitter? Some people might not mind it but I’ll be sure to remember not to talk to you..
because it's absolutely terrible for the games
don't do it

do you want people to know how smart you are or do you want to make money?

if you're going to take money out of the game at least make it enjoyable for the losing players.

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Old 02-06-2018, 12:39 AM   #17
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because it's absolutely terrible for the games
don't do it

do you want people to know how smart you are or do you want to make money?

if you're going to take money out of the game at least make it enjoyable for the losing players.
When youíre talking to the only capable player at the table who knows you are a capable player as well, and nobody is listening to your conversation, is it really terrible for the game?

Now are you going to answer the OG question or not?
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Old 02-06-2018, 12:45 AM   #18
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Given the info you provided, I'd say:

Best players in the game: (likely top 2-3 guys in the whole player pool) $100-130
Good regs: $60-100
Bad regs: $25-45
Regfish : $-10 - $15
Fish and whales: various hourlies

Depends on the reg to fish ratio, hands per hour, how deep stacks tend to get, etc too but these are rough estimations
Those are the rough numbers that I would have thought of as well. Thanks for your post! Donít have any other opinions to go off of since nobody else is posting numbers...
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Old 02-06-2018, 12:50 AM   #19
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I think those are radical overestimates.

It depends on the line up obviously but I'd be surprised if anymore than 3 people were long term winners at your average live 5/5PLO game in a casino. One of them is probably crushing, the other two are probably eeking out a small hourly, and that's best case scenario.

Worst case scenario is probably one person doing well / crushing and everyone else losing or breaking even.
When I first read this post, I initially disagreed, but reading over it again... I think you might be right. But I think maybe 1-2 crushing and 1-2 doing well, and then the variables.
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Old 02-06-2018, 12:52 AM   #20
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We answered your question. It vary's depending on a million dynamics. Hourly's aren't fixed in stone where over even 100k hands you can expect the same hourly as the next 100k hands. Yes it can be calculated with historical data but in theory what 'should' an hourly be is too open ended of a question. Now please stop being defensive and listen to the advice that several people have given you. Dont tap the glass, dont kick a guy while he is down, dont talk about why you did what you did the previous hand, dont talk about how bad of a play someome elae made, dont talk about what a 'good hourly' is while at the table even if your wispering, texting, or sign languaging another guy at the table.

Sorry for the rant just trying to express emphesis of the point.
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Old 02-06-2018, 01:03 AM   #21
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I guess I'm thinking of Vegas or LA which have very large player pools -- in a casino with a 15-20 person player pool the numbers could be lower or there would be very few people at each of the "reg" levels and more regfish types etc. Also assuming most 5/5 games have a lot of straddles. In any event the biggest winners in a 5/5 PLO player pool will have a higher winrate in nearlay all cases than the bigger winners in a 2/5 NL player pool even if there's not a lot of straddling going on
I tend to agree with this too. Iíve only played in LA once and the player pool is massive compared to most east coast plo fields. Even though the buyin is smaller at 500-1500, I believe they are better games in general than most 5/5 plo games in the northeast capped at 500-2000
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because it's absolutely terrible for the games
don't do it

do you want people to know how smart you are or do you want to make money?

if you're going to take money out of the game at least make it enjoyable for the losing players.
just curious, are you as enjoyable in person as you are online?
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Old 02-06-2018, 01:38 PM   #23
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probably 50 is a goal. i only play 50/1.00 on internet, and 2/5 live. i make either 1000 BB an hour, or i'm broke. i'm who you should emulate. but seriously, if i work it out, over 6 hours, if i make 50, that's not so shabby. i'm in no way the best.. but i do win against most recs and whales.
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Old 02-06-2018, 02:42 PM   #24
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When you’re talking to the only capable player at the table who knows you are a capable player as well, and nobody is listening to your conversation, is it really terrible for the game?

Now are you going to answer the OG question or not?
your question has already been answered. it largely depends on the table dynamics and stack sizes.

and yes it is terrible for the game. beyond terrible. it's amazing how so many poker players who are trying to win have zero common sense.

you're asking about hourly win rates- if you want a good win rate play in good games but also help cultivate good games. don't sit there like some poker nerd dildo talking poker strat hand ranges etc. at the table.

if you're both capable players then talk to each other about hands away from the table. you two geniuses think you're so smart talking strategy at the table but you aren't. help make the games better and more fun and your hourly will go up.

Another mistake a lot of poker players make since they have massive egos besides tapping the glass is thinking they can make 100 dollars an hour at a certain game (hypothetical number) so if they put in x hours at the game they make 100x dollars. this is totally wrong. poker isn't blackjack where you can plug in your ex per hand and multiply it by x hands per hour to get an expected ev.
So they end up sitting in ****ty games all day thinking they're earning 100 dollars per hour when they aren't. Or they drag down the fun of the games with hand range talk, berating players, tanking all the time or sitting there watching the last 81 episodes of house of cards on their tablets.Whatever your hourly is or whatever hourly the best 5/5 plo player in the country has doesn't mean they can average that in any random 5/5 plo game. don't make that mistake.

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just curious, are you as enjoyable in person as you are online?
actually i'm quite enjoyable at the tables.

just curious do you actually disagree with anything i said in that post? i gave solid advice that i wish more regs would take seriously so we could all play in better games. if you actually disagree with something i said then i'd be happy to discuss it. if you want me to be less blunt or sugar coat **** then you're going to be disappointed.

When you play poker is your objective to be thought of as the smartest guy at the table or to make as much money as possible? If it's the former than we have vastly different objectives which is fine but it's doesn't make my advice wrong for anyone whose objective is the latter.

It's also pretty funny that i can make a post saying make sure you're fun to play with at the tables and that losing players enjoy themselves while losing and get told i must not be enjoyable in person. If telling regs to stop being complete ****ing idiots and sucking the fun out of games makes me not enjoyable i'm fine with that.
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