I've read 20-30x BB but couldn't find much from searching. Really appreciate you taking. Thankyiu.

Variance in the short run makes it nearly impossible to know a true good hourly, however the absolute best players I've played with are most probably making 20BB/hour.
Most good regs likely make 5BB/hour.

It depends. Some games have straddle / double straddle consistently so think you are playing 2/5 but you are really playing 10/20. Also you are often getting only 15 hands per hour, so that is going to cut into your winrate.

So in 5-10 u guys expect over a 24 hr period the biggest winners in the game are taking 5-7k out of the game on average. Are you guys out of your minds.... no one is making 200-300$/hr at 5-10 unless its like a 5-10-20-40+ uncapped game. This question is entirely game and stake dependent and there are so many discussions on this it is ridiculous if this thread doesn't get locked.

"So in 5-10 u guys expect over a 24 hr period the biggest winners in the game are taking 5-7k out of the game on average."

You sound smart.



-I just find it surprising that there's not a general concensus for an expected income anywhere on the internet(at least that I could findStraight game without straddles). While in Hold'em I believe it sort of widely accepted that 10xBB is a good standard to live by fora pro.

In a 5/10 plo game with a few spots. Stronger pros should make 10bb+/hr before rake.. and in deeper games the winrate will get higher

you sound like a genius yourself asking incredibly generic questions about complex situations. IT VARIES A LOT FOR PLO. PLO winrates vary more then holdem where player quality and game structures don't really change as much. If you described a game or listed a venue i'd probably would have given you my opinion. After your posts I won't because honestly it probably wouldn't help you anyways since you are probably thinking about the wrong things and you probably aren't even making what "live pros" make anyways.

You ignorant oblivious nerd. Obviously the question has to be geared towards being generic for that reason. (Although I do see your points value) Millions upon millions of hands played by pros I'm just surprised there's not more of a known solid winrate range out there for plo.

Thanks for replies.

10bb/hour is far away from being standard for a nl holdem live pro, that would mean that you could easily grind out a 200k year on 5/10..

I would guess it's more like 5-7bb (maybe even lower) ,but only the real crushers or people who are just on a 500 hours upswing are posting about there results,which makes it common to expect a 10bb+ hourly from the average pro..

Also as a pro you have to play volume, which means you're often in mediocre games, which lowers your winrate compared to the "weekend bumhunters" who just stand up and go when they think the game is not worse their time.

This goes obviously only for public games, if you are in a crazy private game way more is possible...

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It's true that it's hard to estimate a live PLO hourly because it's a pretty long process to get a big enough sample size to account for variance.

With that being said, most live pros should expect to make about tree fiddy

I thought I posted in this thread, but oh well.

For live NLHE, 10bb/hour is considered crushing it. A live PLO game probably is the same as a NL game with twice the blinds, so 5/5 PLO is the same as 5/10 NL. That's not accounting for straddles. $100/hour is a strong win rate for 5/10 NL and probably a strong win rate for 5/5 PLO that is rarely straddled. 5/5 with a $10 straddle that is either mandatory or almost always done could probably be crushed for $200/hour.

I would guess 10BB/hour is good and 20BB/hour is crushing it for live PLO. I would consider myself a competent but not elite PLO player with a disciplined, never reckless style, who rarely plays higher than 5/5. I make over 10BB/hour but significantly less than 20BB/hour over a sample size of over 3000 hours. I can definitely see how a better player than myself could make 20BB/hour in the games I play.

There is a lot more consensus on NL win rates because there are more NL players and more players who have shared their results online.

Why are you asking about this topic? Are you interested in becoming a live PLO pro? Do you want to to evaluate the claims of someone who is? General curiosity? I believe the win rate thread in LLSNL has regular posters who might be able to answer some of your questions, especially if you can phrase them in terms of PLO vs NL.

"Iwould guess 10BB/hour is good and 20BB/hour is crushing it for live PLO."

That's sort of the wr range I was thinking... I'm flirting with the idea of saving for a year or so. There's fewer than I expected regular 1/2plo games spread reguarly in U.S; very few actually where there's not a mandatory straddle though so I'm not sure. But, Thanks Harrison. It's appreciated.

If you're trying to build a bankroll, I would guess that the bankroll you would need to play in a typical 1/2/5 game is going to be at least what you need to play in a 5/10 NL game. For trying to play PLO as a pro, I'd suggest being a solid winner with a proper bankroll at 2/5 NL and taking shots at PLO instead of 5/10 NL. If it's for you, at some point, you will go on an insane heater and you just have to be able to not let that run skew your expectations of what PLO is like.

Thanks Harrison.

Run a couple of sims in variance simulator and then cry over the idea of actually estimating a live PLO winrate even remotely accurately

I guess luckily you can achieve one helllll of a true bb/100 winrate in live ssplo games though, which will help negate variance

Finally a logical response to this question.

my variance has actually been a lot lower then what I had originally expected in live games compared to online... This was in games where there's not a lot of 3b pre and AIPF or even on flops because they play a lot deeper so this does vary a lot... 10/20+ games usually play more aggressive so this isn't true and games with low minimum buyins probably have a lot of AIPF so this wouldn't be true.

I'm probably what you would call a "semi-regular" at live casino games where I play 5 Card 1/2/5 PLO or 2/2/5 PLO. I play for fun, and like to win, but I don't "need" to make money playing poker. I'm usually the best, 2nd best or 3rd best player at the table. If I'm worse than that, I leave. ;-)

This year, I have about 225 hours of PLO at about $30/hour. That's after rake, dealer tokes, occasional waitress tips, etc.

Not monster sample, but a good idea of my results as a casual player.

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seeing such low volume, and being that live PLO is so wild i assume the downswings could be insane (ive barely played live). has anyone been through this?

and people go on mega tilt

honestly the best thing to do in PLO is stand up the moment you start feeling tilty

that being said, I had an 80K upswing at 5/5/10 PLO over 220 hours, followed by a 50K downswing over the next 480 hours and was really happy to find that i was winning faster than i was losing. I also quit PLO and took the money and still don't know what my true hourly is and can't even be sure I'm a winning player. I now play NL only.

"Some people, pros even, wont touch no limit. They cant handle the swings"

It's safe to say Mike McDermontt didn't know Pot Limit Omaha

this sounds about right to me. we have a 5/10 PLO with a 5k max buyin and i'm pretty sure the strongest pro(s) are making 20bb/hr if the games are good and maybe 10bb/hr if its a slow tight game.

so much of the expected return depends on the structure of the game and the lineup. if you have a 5/5 game with a 200 max buyin, thats prob gonna be way less lucrative than a 5/5 game with a 1000 max buyin.

I agree with the above, a good PLO player should make a little bit more than hold em, so about 10-12BB per hour but the variance is really really huge and tilt can just wipe out your marginal gains, so if you are too emotional stay away, your hourly will be less, i've actually never seen a player not go on tilt at some point, in fact, i knew i was making a lot at first because people were on tilt, but then i went on extended tilt too and lost most of it back

GL

Does the variance have to be really, really huge? My SD seems to be around 140 BB/hour. I feel that is low. I should hit 4000 live hours in the first half of next year. Maybe I will crunch some numbers and share results here.