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Old 01-23-2019, 08:09 PM   #1
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Two Live 5-5 Hands

Hero is young white guy, has been super card dead all night.

H1:
MAWG (typical passive rec, ~1500) opens CO to 20. BU, SB call, Hero (~1200) 3b KQJJss to 100, CO call, BU fold, SB call.
Flop (320) Q56r (we have BD2ndNFD). Check, we 150, call, fold.
Turn (620) A badugi. We tank check, he checks back.
River (620) K. We tank check again, planning on x/jamming to a small bet. He checks back pretty quickly and MHIG.

Questions: 1) Call or 3b pre 2) sizing on flop (too small?), 3) turn/river lines (do we x/fold turn? x/raise small? etc...

H2:
Limp, we 25 AJ97dhdh in LJ (~1.5k), BU (MAWG reg, winning player, ~2k) calls, SB (loose asian rec, ~1.8k) calls, we go 5 ways to a flop.
Flop (130) T84ccs. Checks to button who bets 100, SB calls, we call.
Turn (430) As. We tank check, button checks, SB asks what the pot is, thinks, and checks.
River (430). Ah. We check, planning to x/call. Button checks, SB taaaaanks and finally checks. We confidently table trips, button shows TT for boat.

Questions: 1) Pretty comfortable with preflop, flop, and river play, but lmk if people disagree. Should we be leading turn, small or pot sized? We can fold out T8 types of hands, but its gross if we get raised and we're never folding clubs, sets, or other wraps.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:19 PM   #2
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Re: Two Live 5-5 Hands

hand 2 seems good, hand 1 i think i bet the river for value but not sure what a badugi means, I'd rather know the exact card
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:44 PM   #3
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Re: Two Live 5-5 Hands

does SB stand for super button?
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:01 PM   #4
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Re: Two Live 5-5 Hands

Badugi meaning completes the rainbow (4 cards of different suits on board). SB meaning small blind (the first blind to act in a 5-5 game).

Isn't KQ too thin to value bet? Trying to understand V's range here but I can't think of any worse hands we're getting called by.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:35 PM   #5
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Re: Two Live 5-5 Hands

check flop in hand one, don't three bet
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Old 01-24-2019, 12:12 AM   #6
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Re: Two Live 5-5 Hands

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Badugi meaning completes the rainbow (4 cards of different suits on board). SB meaning small blind (the first blind to act in a 5-5 game).

Isn't KQ too thin to value bet? Trying to understand V's range here but I can't think of any worse hands we're getting called by.
so small blind gets to act last on turn and river? asking for a friend
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Old 01-24-2019, 12:26 AM   #7
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Badugi meaning completes the rainbow (4 cards of different suits on board). SB meaning small blind (the first blind to act in a 5-5 game).

Isn't KQ too thin to value bet? Trying to understand V's range here but I can't think of any worse hands we're getting called by.
we arent getting called usually but we pretty much always have the best hand so betting>checking, imo it's important to go for thin value in PLO and have a river bluff range too, if we check when we basically nail the river we are too easy to play against
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Old 01-24-2019, 12:51 AM   #8
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Re: Two Live 5-5 Hands

yeah ppl dont rly hero top pair in plo u would just value cut urself against aces up if u bet
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Old 01-24-2019, 01:30 AM   #9
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Re: Two Live 5-5 Hands

I think if you're deeper or shallower in H2 you can consider a somewhat frisky bluff with blockers to strong continues, but it'd be quite frisky and you'd need some reads as justification. I can see it though.

H1 pre is whatever. If they open too loose you push value, but it's a standard good multiway hand but hate getting 4bet type flat.

Flop I'd just pot. I think half pot is fine though, just depends on your strategy and reads. You can pot and pot a reasonable number of turns, and you have lots of immediate fold equity, so I quite like potting. Also, nobody f cks with a pot bet especially live, so you don't really have to worry too much about getting bluffed. (obv fold to raise).

I bet turn for sure, and then barrel river. Like, you have one of the best barrelling hands. You block top two and have some equity, and you block their continue range heavily whilst having not great SDV for if you checked.

As played it's nice that you're thinking about x/ring, but you're only really folding out AK, which you block, and which isn't supremely represented in your opponent's range to begin with, so it's kind of pointless. Like, what kind of two pairs arrives on the river like this and then decides to bet river for value right? Just x/c or x/f if somehow you're convinced he's never bluffing.
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Old 01-24-2019, 12:55 PM   #10
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so small blind gets to act last on turn and river? asking for a friend
Lol. Yes the MAWG was actually the CO and loose Asian was BU.
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Old 01-24-2019, 02:13 PM   #11
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Re: Two Live 5-5 Hands

yeah i think it depends on the actual turned card for whether or not we should be the turn, I'm not liking an immediate bet on cards that make the immediate straight like a 4 or 9 but there are some good barrell cards that are blanks for both hands, so i'm not in the bet turn camp until i know what card it is but i think it's nice to be able to bet the river with top 2 pair, also i think potting the flop is pure spew, the sizing is fine, we don't want to only be called by sets and big wraps, we might as well have nothing if we pot flop, we only have top pair with medium kicker so potting is definitely an overbet and -ev
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:32 AM   #12
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yeah i think it depends on the actual turned card for whether or not we should be the turn, I'm not liking an immediate bet on cards that make the immediate straight like a 4 or 9 but there are some good barrell cards that are blanks for both hands, so i'm not in the bet turn camp until i know what card it is but i think it's nice to be able to bet the river with top 2 pair, also i think potting the flop is pure spew, the sizing is fine, we don't want to only be called by sets and big wraps, we might as well have nothing if we pot flop, we only have top pair with medium kicker so potting is definitely an overbet and -ev
I could be wrong, but I believe "A badugi" means Ace of the suit not present on the rainbow flop.
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Old 01-26-2019, 08:47 PM   #13
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I could be wrong, but I believe "A badugi" means Ace of the suit not present on the rainbow flop.
a badugi is a four card hand with four different suits and no pairs. so in the context of OP yes all four suits should be represented on the board by the turn. no flush is possible on the river.
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