I used to be fairly good at poker. Made 6 figures each year for about 5 years on pokerstars have a few hundred k in MTT earnings as well. Took a 4 year break after having a kid and came back to micros to see how it goes and if it is something I would like to pursue again.

I am a pretty consistent 5-15bb/100 loser. The stats below are the last couple weeks of play.

I understand poker. I signed up for Jnandez and understand the concepts of the videos I watched. I have 10 million + hands played lifetime. I am currently a 2-3bb/100 winner at 6max NLHE while 12 tabling at the micros.

I just don't get what I could possibly doing so wrong at PLO that I am such a consistent loser. I have about 100k hands total and am losing 10bb/100 total across two sites. And have about 400 hours of live play losing about 15bb/100 in what I would consider the weakest games you could imagine.

I refuse to blame this on run bad. It is some leak(s) that I have, and I would like to fix them. Any help appreciated and anything I can do to help others I would love to.

Can you post pic so we do not need to click the link?

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I fixed it thanks

describe your game selection practices

I only play in games with at least one fish but usually it is 2 or 3 and I make sure to seat select to have them on my right. I leave if there is a decent aggro player on my left.

I start games sometimes if needed but I don't need to very often.

I consider a player a fish if their VPIP is over 50 or so.

The typical players I run into are 20/15/5 regs. 35/5/2 weak passive players. 50/30/20 maniacs. And 80/5/2 whales.

There are only a handful of players that I play against at these levels that I consider good. The main difference in their stats and mine are they cbet about 75% their aggo factor is around 4 and their W$WSF is above 50%. Compared to mine @ 55-60%. aggro 2 and W$WSF is around 42%

My overall feeling while playing is that I am just getting owned. Like the players can see my cards. It is sort of hard to explain, but I just feel off balance and like I am always being soul read. And no matter which moves I try to make, I am making the wrong one. I try to keep my game balanced. I use "proper bet sizing". I don't just play my hands face up. But I am getting it in bad very often. As you can see by the lines in my graph. My blue line is essentially even and my red line a rocket down hill. In NLHE my red line is about even and my blue line steady increasing.

With the rake in mind I suspect you're calling too wide out of the blinds.

Of course there's always collusion/bots to worry about.

At a glance, SB open too wide, flop cbet too frequent, fold vs. flop raise too low, esp. given wide cbets.

I agree SB is way too wide. Flop C-bet seems to be too low at the micros. Every single winning player in my DB has a cbet % above 60%. I assume the player pool is folding too much making this +EV.

I will check out adjustments thanks

River call efficiency is 0.98 ... you'd have more money if you clicked fold 100% on the river.

First thing I'd do is take a look at a bunch of the hands where you call the river, probably starting with pots where you x/c and lose to the non nuts.

Prob cb too much oop, call river bets too wide. Opening little too wide from EP and SB, could widen a bit from BTN.

Any way to find out the optimal river call efficiency numbers? I suppose it depends a lot on the stakes and the population and their bluffing frequencies? What I mean is, if the river call efficiency is something like 20, then the player is very tight by the river and can be bluffed very easily?

I am losing 400bb/100 overall on river calls. And 1600bb/100 on check calls. From glancing over my DB it is a lot of check down then I runner runner top 2 pair and they bet and I call and they were slow playing a set or a flopped straight etc...

I am guessing I need to just fold these?

I am also curious as to how my blue line is so consistently break even-ish. Is there something I can filter for to figure this out? It seems really strange to me and obviously I am getting to showdown bad? Or not pushing my made hands far enough?

u need to fold more from utg

I don't think these are enough hands to make a judgement. BTW I think there's some problem when u play from BB, so atm u should fold the bottom of your cold calling range and see what happens. The way to Play from BB is one of the biggest change in poker in the last years.

Winning Players 20/15 with cbet 75% make me think about botting/collusion.

Anyway, if u won at NLHE, why do u play PLO?

Yeah I play primarily on ACR and it seems about half the pool are russian "bots". They obviously have someone controlling them, but they are probably assisted bots. And I adjust to them accordingly.

I enjoy PLO more and also feel like long term I have a better chance making money playing it. I am pretty close to giving up though.

GTO says RFI 18.1%? I am 17.5%? Am I missing something?

easiest and fastest thing to sort those issues is to get a coach if you can afford it. For micros you should be able to get a cheap coaching who will see your mistakes you are not aware of.

Stats depend a lot on sites you play, how soft games are, rake... so dont really think in a way that GTO says 18%, ill open 18% and that will be fine.

i agree w Adebisi... and you probably have issues most people have on micros: balance, reading boards and adjusting vs regs(thats why you feel owned a lot)

Tighten up your out of position play.

The blinds, EP and MP are killing you.

Position when you're learning and starting out is literally everything in PLO. Until you get a good read on your opponents, you just burn chips by playing too many hands out of position.

If you want to play a weaker hand (or any hand really) from early position, try limping. The raising initiative in Omaha is a funny thing. Low stakes opponents will call hands that they would normally raise, if you have already raised. By limping, you give them the raising initiative, and force them into a decision to limp as well, or raise their hand. An opponent wanting to raise their hand is going to provide info on the flop and turn, when you check out of position and allow them to have the cbetting initiative. Your decisions become easier, when you connect and don't connect with boards, instead of feeling like you have to fire that first and often second bullet on the turn, simply because you raised PF.

Don't feel like you need to raise, just to get into the pot. Until you really feel comfortable being the PF raiser our of position, try limping a bit, and getting the feel for how your opponents react when they connect with boards.

Counter intuitive to how many people approach the game, but you're certainly not winning playing the style that you currently use, might as well mix it up a bit and try something else.

Are people winning at showdown with two pair? I am losing 700bb/100 and EV 400bb/100. This seems like it might be a major leak among all the others unless it is standard to lose this badly with two pair at showdown.

Where do I find an affordable micro stakes coach?

switch to chico network, much softer

It is certainly not a great hand, but there are many times to call down the river with two pair. How the hand played out, board texture, betting patterns on all streets, PF action all determine whether or not two pair might be viable.

The quality of the two pair will be a major factor in its success. Can't be calling down bottom two, or two of the bottom 3 and hoping for massive winrates.

Omaha is a game where the nuts is out there a lot. Until you can recognize spots to make hero calls, just don't do it. Bluffing will also kill you, if you don't read the spot very well and calling with non nut hands in MW pots vs people who lead out when a card makes a flush or a straight can also be costly. Literally just folded a J high flush on the button vs a lead out in a 4 way pot when the T brough the flush. I'm just hardly ever good there to warrant even a call to see a river.

Post a few hand histories. That might help.

I also play PLO10 & 25 on ACR (aka WPN) and feel the same. It's difficult to play when you're not sure if the game is square (collusion/bots). Collusion is the worst because by utilizing card removal they can almost with certainty bet for value.

The rake is high on ACR at micros so playing put of blinds is almost always -EV.

Gto preflop call very tight IP when rake is high. Your opponents do not. So when your opponents are calling looser IP, you actualy need to play tighter OOP. GTO UTG opens some rainbow kings etc. You can not play them profitably when you are more often in mw pots. Same applies to some bad ds and ss hands.