Game is pretty juicy with most flops being seen by 6 or 7 people.

Villain 1 - Sees every flop and calls any draw. Has approx $3,000

Villain 2 - Very tight, aggressive. Doesn't play a lot of hands but winning player who bets strong when he has it. Has approx $5,000

Hero - Winning player who is up $1,500 and has tight image - Stack size $2,500

UTG+1 makes it $25, Villain 1 calls(UTG+2), Villain 3 calls next to act, 1 more caller and I call with QQ108 on the button. Would you have raised knowing most of the field would be calling if you did?

Both blinds also call.

Flop is Q106 I have top set with a Q high flush draw.
Checks to me and I pot it ($175), Villain 1 and Villain 2 both call.
I block 1010 so when I get action I put both players on wraps/flush draw type hands.


Turn is the 4

Both check to me and I pot it ($700) Both call.

River is the 2

I check, villain 1 checks and then villain 2 goes all in.

Call or fold?

Should I have bet out? If so, how much? I actually checked thinking Villain 1 might take a stab at it but when Villain 2 potted it I started getting a bad feeling that he might have back doored the straight as I think he usually checks here and Villain 1 is the one I thought might bluff at it.

I flat pre vs. this line up.

What position are V1 and V2? Confusing if you are BTN but on river you check and V1 checks behind in UTG+2? I have no idea where V2 is, unless he is V3 in paragraph description, but then your checking BTN doesn't make sense again.

That's pretty sick on the river, though.

I butchered the river action in the original post. Fixed above. Villain 2 potted into me after Villain 1 checked. Call or fold?

Calling and going broke if he has the 2-6. He called 2 streets of heavy action. It seems like a really light float on the flop with anything other than like QxTxAhKh or a similar holding. And that hand isn’t or shouldn’t be continuing once the turn gets potted. Unless he has a soul read on you and is lining up a massive bluff, but even in that instance, it’s foolish to attempt that 3 ways... and even recs who don’t know this aren’t comfortable making this play. I kind of figure this is a missed nut heart draw.

Your range looks like </=Top 2 w hearts when you check the river, so I can see why he stabs at it after being checked to. I’m calling every single time here. It’s such a random hand that we’re afraid of, and there are numerous other hands that can feasibly arrive at the river and jam.


following to see what happened.

Will post results tomorrow after any more comments, but note I had QQ so I beat 26.only hand I lose to is 35.

You only lose to 53 and you beat spazzy bluffs and something like TTxx that tried to be tricky and now ends up valueowning himself. Not many 53 combos that remain to the river with this action, sometimes of course you run into something like AhXh53 or whatever but I think in those cooler cases there isn't too much to do.

I meant the 2-6 straight my man. I know.

Even money that villain showed up with A35xhh or some similar combo

Consider what you have said about V2, I would elect to fold here. It suck that we just lost $900 but sound like a good game and you would be able to make that back in no time.

My experience in live PLO is that ppls will show up with weird combo all the time. Without a strong live read and past history vs V2 i don't think we can call here and be profitable.

What does the good villain have your range pegged at? This is the most important info on whether to call or fold


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What kind of psychopath says it this way?

Ha. Good point.

I had a tough time seeing how he could have 53 other than Awith 5 or 3 of so I called and he had 6653. Cooler, but hated paying him off as when he bet my gut said he had to have it. He said on the turn he knew I had a higher set but he turned opened ended so he called.

Yeah it's one of those things in live PLO where I don't think ppls bluff in this spot alot of time, yes occasionally we would get bluff off a winning hand but we would make more money by folding.

No one bluffs here or pots worse for value unless they are one of the villains you can say for sure either way.

Also potting each street is fishy sizing.

I've been in arguments recently about the merits of 3-betting vs calling pre in this type of spot. It sounds like a fairly typical loose live plo game. Everyone is very deep. There's an open and 3 callers when it gets to us on the button and we hold a top 6(ish?)% hand.

I personally will 3b this hand nearly 100% in this spot. We have a substantial range advantage over the 3 callers, we're in position, and we're still very deep. The worst case is if utg+1 4B us, and even then we're going to call and have spr>2 and be able to play pretty much perfectly. In my opinion we should push the equity advantage and build big pots in position. Its higher variance, but also higher winrate.

If the table was tighter or we weren't as deep then I'd just flat.

Anyway as played its just a brutal river decision. I can fold if I'm confident in my read on the guy as described, but in a vacuum it should be a call.

Substantial range advantage with single suited QQ?Not sure would 3bet pre be worse play then call 4bet.Both very bad.

"Substantial" is probably the wrong word. We're entering a 5-way pot, so 20% equity would be the point at which we're ambivalent. With this hand we should have somewhere around 23% given reasonable range assumptions based on the dynamic OP described with 6 and 7 way flops being normal.

How much stronger does our hand need to be for you to want to 3B here? How frequently are you 3b here? What type of hands are at the bottom of a good 3b range? Is it just the raw equity you don't like or is it the non-nutiness of this particular hand?

Calling here is profitable, low variance, and easy to play. I get those arguments. But we're in position, still very deep, and pretty confident we're in a favorable equity position. I would raise and be happy if they all called.

Interesting questions.With 4 players already in the pot,and knowing blinds are likely to call

i would say 3bet% would not more than 5%.I guess main issue with this hand is non

nuttiness.Let`s say i ll put A89T ds as a minimum,all ds Ace high broadway rundowns are

ok,double paired or connected ds Kings,and maybe 20% of Aces.

Yeah this seems like about the answer most good regs I play against would give. Its possible I'm just a degen taking high variance lines without adding any EV, but I 3 bet much wider than that here.

At a generic casino-type game with mostly regs and one or two fish I'm playing like you. But I'm running into table dynamics like OPs in games all the time lately and I feel like I should be punishing all the limping and preflop calling from the button.

well yea bc he made this post.
you cant check fold the river to every non pairing river card in the deck, especially the best one.

even if this was true it's terrible fish logic.maybe he wins a few thousand more maybe he gets felted. either way his ev is not 900 dollars in no time.

it being a good game is no reason to call or fold here. all that matters is his hand good 33% percent of the time that it has to be good to profitably call.

I agree that perhaps attaching a monetary value to our decision is a wrong way to look at it.

ugh, theyre never bluffing here.

I hate this spot. I always call here because "how can they have 35" and "the straight came weird runner-runner" and invariably guy who pots the river somehow has the made straight with a nut flush draw or something.