Why the hourly rate at nl 25 is so low compared to nl 50 ? ( 5$ vs 15$).
Maybe I am missing something, but the rake is the same at nl25 and nl50 (4.50%), so why this huge difference ?

Thanks for the work done itt.
Playing 100k hands of PLO200 ZOOM this month. After, I will email ps and voice concern. I am considering moving away from format/site because of rake.
Think DA ZOOM games are good idea fwiw.

iPoker is funny:



Don't think I'll pursue the plan of playing there!

^ where did you get that data from and are those regs? what about for plo20 and plo50?

From HH Dealer. Hands are from Jan - Aug 2014. Only got PLO10.

Don't play on iPoker myself so I don't recognise any of the names but yeah these are regs and none of them are winning pre rakeback.

too bad we are all too lazy and uncoordinated to do anything about this, easier to bend over and apply a bit of lube

doesnt iPoker offer ridic rakeback deals though

The thing that frustrates me most is that my rake caps out at 2$ at 25nl reg six max. While some of my friends grinding >1kPLO pay a cap of 3$.

To add to the horror, I have to work my ass off to grind up enough VPP to get to platinumstar. Making it much mor difficult for me to see back some of the rake I am paying.

If I was in your place the thing frustrating me would be playing 25NL when my friends are playing 1000PLO, da **** u doin, mate? Maybe you should be working your ass off to get better at the game than worrying about VPPs lol.

Wow, great post! Thanks for the valueable input! I will probably not take anything you said into consideration, but please go ahead and feel good about yourself.

Have a nice day!

how do you lose money at PLO10, its massively crushable, these guys are huge fish on the list, playing to many tables - plus you get 65% RB but you gotta shop around - hit me up

stop playing on Stars

He gave you really great advice. Think of the skill gap between you and your friends, and then realize how much you don't know or have yet to learn. I could go on, but you will either get it or you won't.

Plo, ring sh, seems as beatable as nlh at all these levels. This is positive news. Maybe the skill level of plo at stars is already at its top.

Zoom win rates are obviously lower, the news is that the plo win rates drop more, the reason could be that nlh plays tigher, so weaker players play more zoom nlh than they play zoom plo, or maybe the value of information drops more at plo zoom.

I am surprised that win rates drop so little at nlh zoom, but it seems because it drops for oponents also.

If zoom plo is tougher than zoom nlh, that is bad news, but then more recs at plo ring, and why it is not beatable for more then, is because plo players can still improve, or the rake is too high, eg. thin flips and split pots, and one idea has been to rake the split pots less, but that is when plo ring gets too tough.

Probably the lack of information doesnt hurts more at plo zoom. But it is possible it does, though i could have thought it hurts more at nlh, it being just bingo then. Maybe the win rates of zoom got mixed up, yes, that must be it, making this case fully and obviously clear.

Plo zoom with seat changes and speed is great with players one knows, but thins the edges in other cases.

Hey guys I have started a new thread in NVG to highlight some issues related to over-priced small/micro stakes games and Zoom games. I want to relay these issues to a wider audience and drum up some support.

It would be appreciated if you could take the time to show a bit of support in that thread.

Thanks.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...t-now-1494003/

1/2 zoom is definetly beatable pre-rakeback

mediocre brag

8bb/100 rake OMFG

sample size

x 20

Its obv that regs with wr 5bb+ will have small sample sizes on plo25-200 bc they are moving up in stakes. Weak regs can get 300k-1mln hand sample sizes with 0-2bb/100 bc they are weak and they will always play the same stakes and this is the reason why we have impresion that rake is to high and games are hard to beat.


Edit: i found on my computer old graph from some low stakes PLO: in that time i was tiltilng a lot bc of my badrun and in general i was weaker then now, so its clear that 5-10evbb/100 is easy to achieve

I'm not saying the rake is not too high, it is and I hope they lower it for small stakes. But it is beatable. If someone wants to probbet 1-1 odds that I can get 5bb+ ev/100 over 100k hands in 2 months in plo200 zoom I will do it.

I'll bet against if you attempt it in 1 month.

That's an interesting redline...

If i will get 40-60k action i can try this bet next year

Playing deep and watching GGaRJ vids on cardrunners when i start playing plo was probably the case.

Would bet 5k against just to see if ist doable.