i really wanna do this 5evBB/100 over 100k hands @200z challenge/bet. as i said i played <100k plo hands lifetime and have been playing loldonkaments all my poker career.

any interest ? :P

not wanting to hurt your action here, but you have played 500z in the last days with 4 entries for hours. you wouldn´t play 4 tables of the toughest (regularly running) zoom game out there if you would be a MTT donk with no clue of PLO

additionally there are the obvious problems with bets like this:
-possible access to highstakes crushers who could play with your account
-getting coached by hs crusher
-chipdumping to improve winrate
...

might be interested. 1 month? 1:1? you'll need to send your hand history to at least 2 well respected 2+2 members who'll be the jury in this, only in case if you might have reached your goal ofc IMO .

Oh also I'd want/suggest pt4's aiev for the result, hm2's is more fk'd up.

Interesting propbet, would like to see it happen, might bet something smaller as well.

On another note, how does Charliebumbum's red-line (non-sd) looks like? Would like to see the graph.

Its red and goes right in my graphs.

More seriously: Thats none of your business and it has no relevance here

Was just curious if you are losing in non-sd as most regs and still making bank or if your non-sd is positive.

i said MTT donk because thats how people seem to perceive MTT players. ive played PLO (with reasonable volume) for around 2 months, around 100k hands lifetime - before that i played NLHE MTTs for 3 years. most of my volume was @500z but i didnt 'grind my way up there' by any means. im just a bit yolo about shotting and have a reasonable bankroll that i grinded up from MTTs so i didnt mind hopping into it after playing around 20k hands @200z.

about the coaching part, so far ive received 1 hour of coaching, although ive been in contact with a few PLO players and might get more. i dont see this being a problem, given that players with much much more experience and skill @ PLO were offered action on a bet like this.

i see your other points but they are valid for many prob bets. i have a pristine reputation, im running a stable with some of the most reputable and best HSMTT regs in the world and would be willing to submit data to prove that theres no funky business going on. i know lots of very reputable people who can vouch for my trustworthyness.

ill see if theres more interest and then maybe will create a thread about this soon. i have no problems with submitting HHs to a jury. how much action would u be interested booking @1:1? i feel like 1:1 is a bit of a hustle because it seems that much better and more experienced players have been offered 1:1 here, but ill surely think about it . pt4 aiev is a fine metric for me to use.

bump

interest died down?

joeyingram1 was talking with DN about the rake problem on low stakes PLO and PLO in generel on his new Podcast with him. Maybe the issue will be hook'd up again....

one would think DN has lost every credibility in regards to rake :P

ill bet 1v1 100k hands next month highest winrate at z500, pm me

1. Who are u
2. No one should rly ever take a bet like that (Also the reason I would not take it vs Joey as well) with all the scamming going on its soooo easy for someone to cheat in a bet like that.

There are precautions enough possible to make it as good as safe if it's worth the effort. At least when I think about it.
Do you have anything going against this?

This analysis also shows it is more profitable to play PLO than NLH in regular tables (In average of the studied stakes here), Am I Right?

Thanks for the info!

Sick article, I got to page 6 and had to stop but I will read through. I really did not realise how much of a rake-pit the games were/had become having only just started this year right in the pits of nano stakes plo.

It does seem that Amaya, after taking over Pokerstars, are focusing on the recreational player, introducing sports betting, zoom and casino to Pokerstars. If this is the focus then they will surely focus on the short term - getting players to deposit, play be raked down and re-deposit.

In theory the reg to rec ratio should go down as more regs move to other sites. But I imagine that the 'potential' for a reg to catch out on regs leaving will just create a loop in which the ratio never reduces if not goes up and the zoom pool only grows if Pokerstars maintains attracting recreational players so unless regs leave then I doubt rake will change.

I think there is close to no short term incentive for amaya to lower rake.
The limits most heavily affeted by the high rake have a player pool that is mostly recs so even if some microstakes regs stop playing it wont really affect amayas bottom line.

Sort of funny how hard we had to fight for the few %'s that we got in a decrease for microstakes a good while back.

This is one hell of a huge grab and I am laughing every time I am thinking about it. In germany we have a nice word for it called "dreist" .

Sorry for you guys but guess you will still do ok or find other sites. They ruined OnGame by catering only to recs while filling their pockets, I'm sure this time will be different LOL.

Hello,

now 16 months have passed and I just wanted to ask for any update on OP analysis of the winrates / rake difference between normal tables and zoom regarding PLO.

Is it still up to date, that PLO Zoom is much worse than PLO on normal tables?

Thanks in advance!

This. Also how did new bonus system effect winrates?

hi guys,
did anyone run some numbers with these stats for 2016?
No secret that people at Micros/ Lowstakes should play at Microgaming/ Unibet...
and that zoom is worse than regular tables

I found this data very interesting. Has anyone done a recent refresh of this perchance?