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Old 12-18-2018, 09:29 PM   #26
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Re: QdJd7h8h, was it right?

Sounds like your preflop game is as bad as your decision-making on the turn. How many re-pots did it take to get your chips all in pre-flop for the biggest pot of the night?


My guess is you need a passport to come play me in the US.
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Old 12-18-2018, 09:37 PM   #27
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And seriously,

Why don't you run the actual hands through the simulator and report back the odds of the three hands and tell us how the money went in on the turn. I presume the third caller with no suits may have still had blockers to the straight flush draw.
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Old 12-18-2018, 10:46 PM   #28
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And seriously,

Why don't you run the actual hands through the simulator and report back the odds of the three hands and tell us how the money went in on the turn. I presume the third caller with no suits may have still had blockers to the straight flush draw.

with two flush draws and three ways to make a straight he couldn't have been too badly off
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Old 12-19-2018, 01:54 AM   #29
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But I still think OP's problem was on the turn with no made hand and queen high.
That sort of thinking reminds me of people who say AK is a drawing hand that is only ace-high if it does not improve in hold em.
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Old 12-19-2018, 01:57 AM   #30
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you just dont understand the feeling when u get it all in preflop, flop a boat , aces full! und guy hits perfect runner runner for straight flush for the biggest pot of the night. you just dont know that feeling afterwards, and i wish you really that you never take a beat like that, from people who are giving away free money on the table. after taking yours!
Been there, done that. It's just another hand. Quit feeling like you are entitled to their money. That you seems to be using this thread to whine about bad beats suggests that maybe this game isn't for you.
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Old 12-19-2018, 02:11 AM   #31
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That sort of thinking reminds me of people who say AK is a drawing hand that is only ace-high if it does not improve in hold em.
Sorta like when ak does not improve and gets beat by deuces and the guy storms off screaming about this moron just called my all in with deuces. Yeah, this thread has that kinda feeling to me too.
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Old 12-19-2018, 04:53 AM   #32
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Sounds like your preflop game is as bad as your decision-making on the turn. How many re-pots did it take to get your chips all in pre-flop for the biggest pot of the night?


My guess is you need a passport to come play me in the US.
hi clueless guy, i had the amazing opportunity to 4bet with my AAJT against 2tilted donkeyfishes pre and still got repot on and
the money was in. I dont play scared poker, like you, "I gotta have the nuts, then i bet" nits like you get destroyed in this game

seriously can someone stop this donkey talking to me?

I had every diamond, every heart, every 9, every A, to make the better hand, and this guy just keep saying, i had air.

you are not worth the travel, i hope that pokerstars get legal again in the us
so i can take all your money their.
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Old 12-19-2018, 04:55 AM   #33
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with two flush draws and three ways to make a straight he couldn't have been too badly off
exactly, both flush draws were alive
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:24 AM   #34
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with two flush draws and three ways to make a straight he couldn't have been too badly off
He was probably 30-40% to win and 10% to tie but is relating losing this hand To his other bad luck hands where he loses to "2%" runner runner idiots.

Runbad, you played q high right when you put in 75% of your 2000 stack ott against top set in a three way pot. Feel better? Please keep us informed of your bad beats while you dig out if your downswing in other threads.
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:39 PM   #35
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He was probably 30-40% to win and 10% to tie but is relating losing this hand To his other bad luck hands where he loses to "2%" runner runner idiots.

Runbad, you played q high right when you put in 75% of your 2000 stack ott against top set in a three way pot. Feel better? Please keep us informed of your bad beats while you dig out if your downswing in other threads.
it was a coinflip against top set, and just for clarity, i would always put my money in, in that spot, so what are you talking about man

I will but you have to wait, I quit playing for the rest of the year and going on vacation with my gf.
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Old 12-19-2018, 01:20 PM   #36
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But you were not only in the pot against top set, were you? Coinflipping for stacks sounds like you are a baccarat player too. Stay gold, ponyboy!
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Old 12-24-2018, 09:50 AM   #37
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Re: QdJd7h8h, was it right?

78 and QJ donít combo well. Youíre only looking for T9 and making top 2 on flop. Most of your top 2 will be vulnerable if not already behind when money goes in.
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Old 12-28-2018, 03:34 PM   #38
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i lead for a little over half pot and got 2 callers.
The turn is a 5h giving me 2 open ended straight flush draws.

At this point having no showdown value but a ton of outs, i decided to pot the turn, and got a call and a repot from the BB.
If you think this way, quit PLO now before you lose everything.
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:56 PM   #39
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If you think this way, quit PLO now before you lose everything.
i play this game for years, all in all made a lot of money, paid college and living from it, so who are you; to tell me that i should quit?

explain yourself.

i dont wanna be offensive to you, but you just one of this guys who would fold top 2 or middle set to my action and just cant stand aggressive players like me.

but its fine.
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Old 01-06-2019, 10:50 PM   #40
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hi clueless guy, i had the amazing opportunity to 4bet with my AAJT against 2tilted donkeyfishes pre and still got repot on and
the money was in. I dont play scared poker, like you, "I gotta have the nuts, then i bet" nits like you get destroyed in this game

seriously can someone stop this donkey talking to me?

I had every diamond, every heart, every 9, every A, to make the better hand, and this guy just keep saying, i had air.

you are not worth the travel, i hope that pokerstars get legal again in the us
so i can take all your money their.
I could be mistaken but all 4's were also live and your best outs for scooping.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:10 PM   #41
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i cringed when we potted the turn, you need fold equity there to make that bet and you have none, clear check on the turn, there is absolutely zero equity to be gained by betting the turn, it's a neutral ev spot at best and the goal in PLO is LEAST VARIANCE. in fact i would say the profit in PLO comes from controlling variance
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Old 01-13-2019, 11:13 PM   #42
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i cringed when we potted the turn, you need fold equity there to make that bet and you have none, clear check on the turn, there is absolutely zero equity to be gained by betting the turn, it's a neutral ev spot at best and the goal in PLO is LEAST VARIANCE. in fact i would say the profit in PLO comes from controlling variance

but you just cant bet only if you have it and be such a nit.
i still like my line, you gotta give action to get action. and it was still a coinflip against top set.

nobody can control variance man
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:26 AM   #43
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it's a neutral ev spot at best and the goal in PLO is LEAST VARIANCE. in fact i would say the profit in PLO comes from controlling variance
Variance is just a statistical term that describes how spread out a set of data is from the mean of that data.

Not even sure what controlling it means or how that makes you more profitable.
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Old 01-14-2019, 02:02 AM   #44
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Not even sure what controlling it means or how that makes you more profitable.
Controlling variance in this context means favouring lower variance choices. For example, stacking off eight way is very high variance, whereas folding has zero variance. Reducing variance is a laudable goal since variance contributes to ROR.
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:36 AM   #45
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i cringed when we potted the turn, you need fold equity there to make that bet and you have none, clear check on the turn, there is absolutely zero equity to be gained by betting the turn, it's a neutral ev spot at best and the goal in PLO is LEAST VARIANCE. in fact i would say the profit in PLO comes from controlling variance
i'd say you're wrong
no variance no poker
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Old 01-14-2019, 04:13 AM   #46
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i'd say you're wrong
no variance no poker
exactly

nobody can control variance
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:55 AM   #47
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Controlling variance in this context means favouring lower variance choices.
Again what does lower variance choice even mean?

If you are talking about variance in your winrate numbers how do know how far outside your winrate a particular decision is?

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For example, stacking off eight way is very high variance, whereas folding has zero variance. Reducing variance is a laudable goal since variance contributes to ROR.
If a line is profitable and your bankroll is sufficiently large you should take MOST positive EV in game decisions.

Even assuming your all in example is profitable and my bankroll is sufficiently large I wouldn't choose to avoid it just because of variance, I would avoid it because I can invest my buy in in spots where I can actually exercise my skill as opposed to just taking the equity offered to me.

Yes variance contributes to your results but the only way to reduce it is to accumulate more results and you still maybe losing money which has nothing to do with variance.

If I have tight distribution centered around -1bb/100 it just means I leak money more slowly and I don't win or lose very much per whatever measure we're using to track results. Having lower variance doesn't mean anything in terms of being profitable.

You may choose to lower variance for whatever reason but it doesn't make you more money.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:19 PM   #48
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but you just cant bet only if you have it and be such a nit.
i still like my line, you gotta give action to get action. and it was still a coinflip against top set.
You often still get action even if you only bet when you have it. I prefer to play snug to establish a tight image and open up my range when they think I am nitty enough that I can get people to fold non-nut sets in this spot.

I think your bet is good if you have a strong table image but questionable if you have the image of a loose moron or someone who is running bad.
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:12 PM   #49
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Preflop is probably not good.
Betting flop is definitely good. Which meakes preflop worse.
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:33 PM   #50
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If a line is profitable and your bankroll is sufficiently large you should take MOST positive EV in game decisions.
OTOH if stacking off 8 ways has an expectation of a penny, whereas folding is break even, you would probably be better off folding. Expectation, while generally the driving force in making poker decisions, is not the be all and end all of poker decision making.

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Yes variance contributes to your results but the only way to reduce it is to accumulate more results
No, there are many things you can do to reduce variance, such as seeking out games which are loose and passive, quitting marginal high variance games, or when the expectation of two decisions is close opting for the path with less variance. You can choose to play games for which you are overrolled. You can also adopt long term low variance strategies.

To a winning player, variance is the enemy. A winning player will eventually get all the money, UNLESS he goes broke in the mean time because of variance.
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