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Old 04-22-2014, 02:27 PM   #1
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PROP BET: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

I will attempt to play minimum of 500k PLO hands in 45 days at 1/2, 2/4, 3/6 stakes. i have to win $ at tables (at least 0.01 dolar). day 28april 0:00 ETtime until day 11 june 23:59 ET time.

details below.

- Odds will be 2:1 in my favour.

1- all hands played at PokerStars at 6max and full ring tables. for those who dont have any idea how plo game run at ps, in this stakes, 98% of action happens at 6max. full ring almost dont run in regular basis, but i want have the option to play there if i want.

2- hu tables aren't alowed, but i can play hu at 6max or full ring tables (this dont happen often, just saying this so i can keep starting tables like im used to do). zoom not alowed.

3- stakes 1/2, 2/4, 3/6. usd and euro tables both alowed. both regular tables (40bb-100bbs) and ante tables are alowed. (im not fan of playing ante tables, but not many plo field is small, so smetimes im forced to play ante)

4- i can choose stakes im going to play (between 1/2-3/6), but have to play at least 100k at 1/2 and at least 100k hands at 2/4. no minimum amount at 3/6 because since 2/5zoom was introduced at plo, 3/6 is a ghost town. i thought about putting a minimum amount of hands at 3/6, but plo regs know that sometimes theres 0 tables running at this stake. (if you want change this rule, to make Xhands at each stake, or whatever, im willing to hear. this is the only rule that im not sure if its ok or not... i talked w some guys and they think its fair)

5- i have to finish up $. if i lose 1cent or more, i lose the bet. if i win 1cent or more at tables, i win. (rakeback doesnt count)

6- if something happens w PokerStars going down (some blackfriday2) or if some brazilian law make PokerStars stop running in Brazil, bet will be canceled (judges will decide on this). documents will be provided.

7- if someone from my family dies bet is going to be canceled. (mom, dad, sister, grandparents, stepmother/stepfather). docs will be provided. - mom and dad has longtime (both 10+ years) w my stepfather/mother, thats why i included them.

8- You will be allowed to offer me a buy-out during the course of the bet. Obviously it is solely my choice as to whether to accept or not. I also can offer a buy out. Of course, the same guidelines apply visa versa.

9- any kinda of combined play, collusion , or whatever, isn't alowed. if this happens, i lose the bet. (judge will verify this). so, in before someone ask: flips isn't alowed. isn't collusion, but its a combined play.

10- no webcam. im aware most propbets runs w webcam, but i dont want webcam because i like privacy, dont want people watching my room, myself when im playing, if im eating, smoking, what im listening, saying or whatever. keep in mind that im the only brazilian multitabling plo200+ on stars, so no reason to you be worried about another guys doing a team w me . also, i have a history of being very honest at all things i did at my life and at poker/gabling. this comunity knows that i have been in lots of spots where i could easily ''try something'' at spots with tons of money in the line -a lot bigger than money in this propbet - and this never ever happened. whatever you ask about myself to others, they will tell im always 100% honest . if you want bet and are annoyed with no webcam, we can discuss about this, but i hope you guys dont mind and understand this.


judge/escrow: theres 2 judges: joeingram1 and godlikeroy. both are well know members of this comunity. joe has lots of experience w propbets, (he did many of them) and roy is ps team pro. both are PLO regulars. joe not playing on stars nowadays, roy is plo reg at 2/4-3/6, and he probably will be involded in many tables w me. roy is also the escrow of the bet. if you are not fine w this, or want suggest a new name, its ok.

This is all I can come up with for now. If there are any relevant, simple, acceptable stipulations/clauses, i will be willing to hear them. I want to keep this simple, and make sure the spirit of the bet remains in tact.

why 45 days instead of 2months, or 1month? because i was thinking about grinding a lot before world cup start (day 12 of june), and 45 days its the right time frame and match good w 500k hands. during world cup (june/july) im not going to be playing, so i want play a lot before start.

the minimum amount you can bet is $200. (your $200 vs my $100). the minimum amount of money i need to make it worth trying this, is $15k. (15k from bettors money vs my 7,5k). the maximum i will take is $40k vs $20k.

if dont happens to have $15k in bets until day 28 april, bet won't happen. i know theres little time, but i just have this idea yesterday, so here i am. 28april until day 11june = 45days. thats why 28april is the max day to make bets and start playing. World cup start 12 june.

ps: As part of the motivation for the wagerers may be entertainment, I will provide dailyish updates in the thread. At the end of the bet I will have someone from pokerstars support to give us the final/correct result, just incase my HEM misses some hands.


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Old 04-22-2014, 02:41 PM   #2
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

confirmed judge


Rules look good, with the bet being you need to be +1 cent usd as an end result 2-1 is more than fair.

I will do a pre-bet/pre-show podcast for people that might not understand how easy/hard this will be and break it all down. Will give the bbv guys (urubu is bbv hero) a bit better understanding of things because most people probably have no idea how many hours/tables/hands/difficult any of this is. I will wait for action to be booked because I don't want to effect anyone's decision to bet or not bet. I'm very excited for this to potentially take place and will prop bet the amount of times urubu goes on epic tilt and starts posting ajtklwetjewlt on the forums/open shipping any 4


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Old 04-22-2014, 02:58 PM   #3
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

Didn't Joey do 500k hands in 30 days?
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:01 PM   #4
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

urubu, im betting 1k for your $500.

im okay u dont having camera turned on all the time, but if I ask to (skype?) u will have to. Not gonna be asking often, just if anything weird happens.

edit: gonna reread rules and confirm later in case i missed something
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:10 PM   #5
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

in for the sweat.
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:24 PM   #6
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

In for $10k(vs your 5k)

You should also add to the rules that if you don't reach the 500k hands mark you lose the bet (this is obivous but still...)

How will judges confirm HH's? I assume pokerstars can provide those to the judges right?

Also, will there be an escrow?

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Old 04-22-2014, 04:02 PM   #7
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

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Didn't Joey do 500k hands in 30 days?
Yeah but this was when non-zoom games actually ran, and IIRC Joey played .5/1? Def harder now with fewer non-zoom tables and generally they're reg-filled.
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:19 PM   #8
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:25 PM   #9
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Didn't Joey do 500k hands in 30 days?
Yeah but urubu isnt joey...

I know this sounds like a ******ed reply but hey, it does make a difference really.
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:45 PM   #10
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Yeah but this was when non-zoom games actually ran, and IIRC Joey played .5/1? Def harder now with fewer non-zoom tables and generally they're reg-filled.
i think almost all of my hands were at 2/4 with maybe 100k at 1/2
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:49 PM   #11
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im booked urubu
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:50 PM   #12
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

in for 5k if available

Btw, lets say urubu is closing in on 500k hands and he is down a ton of money. Is he allowed to flip with people?
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:57 PM   #13
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

no that is covered in one of the rules. He is allowed to play like a mad man at 3/6 to try to get it back tho
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:58 PM   #14
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in for 5k if available

Btw, lets say urubu is closing in on 500k hands and he is down a ton of money. Is he allowed to flip with people?
The rules clearly state that he can't flip.

More interesting is:

Say he plays the 500k hands in 43 days. Ends up down $1k at that point. Can he then keep playing until:
After 45 days he has played 520k hands and is up $1k.
^Is bet won or lost then? Won, right?


IE: To win the bet he has to play at LEAST 500k hands and be up money after the 45 days
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:06 PM   #15
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i think almost all of my hands were at 2/4 with maybe 100k at 1/2
Ah ok, I stand corrected, still the main problem for urubu is just gonna be getting the volume in with no zoom allowed imo compared to your bet.
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Didn't Joey do 500k hands in 30 days?
Profit though? Urubu said he has to show a profit for the the 500k hands.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:10 PM   #17
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The rules clearly state that he can't flip.

More interesting is:

Say he plays the 500k hands in 43 days. Ends up down $1k at that point. Can he then keep playing until:
After 45 days he has played 520k hands and is up $1k.
^Is bet won or lost then? Won, right?


IE: To win the bet he has to play at LEAST 500k hands and be up money after the 45 days

I was thinking about this as well, I would assume it is AT LEAST 500k


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Ah ok, I stand corrected, still the main problem for urubu is just gonna be getting the volume in with no zoom allowed imo compared to your bet.



the volume for 45 days will be no issue at all imo, that is the easy (i mean easy in ****kkkk my life) part of this challenge. I did it with taking about a week off but i was 24 tabling every hour I was playing, I don't think urubu will be doing this. I'm not even sure that many tables will run around the clock without having to mix limits but it will help when there is someone keeping games alive and starting new games as well.

The PROFIT part of all of this is going to be
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I was thinking about this as well, I would assume it is AT LEAST 500k







the volume for 45 days will be no issue at all imo, that is the easy (i mean easy in ****kkkk my life) part of this challenge. I did it with taking about a week off but i was 24 tabling every hour I was playing, I don't think urubu will be doing this.
well yeah but it's quite difficult to 24 table non-zoom tables the whole time these days is it not, i mean i was playing last night during euro dead hours and there were only ~15 non-zoom tables > 1/2 running and they were constantly breaking.
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well yeah but it's quite difficult to 24 table non-zoom tables the whole time these days is it not, i mean i was playing last night during euro dead hours and there were only ~15 non-zoom tables > 1/2 running and they were constantly breaking.
editing this to I think it is hard to 24 table plo at any point in time in the history of plo it will help the games not breaking with someone staying on all of them continuing the games. Also depending on tables played at once, he should be able to play at peak hours


blopp made me see this but the fact that sira al snap booked should tell you all you need to know



SIRA: what pokerstars can do is email you all the HH's played from that month with a password on the file, then you can send that link to the judges who can access them unedited
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how much hands are allowed HU before table starts?
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:42 PM   #22
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Re: 500k hands in 45days at midstakes

Are the bets being escrowed by somebody reputable? Is there a way to take part if you dont have a stars account?

Im intrigued, but I always got smoked whenever I bet against donkpredator on bets like this in the past.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:42 PM   #23
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I'm very excited for this to potentially take place and will prop bet the amount of times urubu goes on epic tilt and starts posting ajtklwetjewlt on the forums/open shipping any 4


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i play better when semi-tilted. tilt-o-meter around 2/10-5/10 i play my best game. i became fearless and destroy the field. thats a problem when tilt-o-meter hits 6.5+, then i became a whale and just vomit all chips.


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In for $10k(vs your 5k)

You should also add to the rules that if you don't reach the 500k hands mark you lose the bet (this is obivous but still...)

How will judges confirm HH's? I assume pokerstars can provide those to the judges right?

Also, will there be an escrow?
i think if player asked pokerstars to send HH's to someone, ps will send via email. so just say judge's email and he import and make a graph w my hands.

yes, will be escrow. godlikeroy at stars. if you want more than one escrow, its ok, say one name and i agree. anyway, lets wait for roy until he see the thread and confirm 100% sure he can escrow all money.

dont send any money to roy until he confirm here that he is going to escrow the money. he already told me could do it, but he was busy at time, so lets wait him seeing and confirm .

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in for 5k if available

Btw, lets say urubu is closing in on 500k hands and he is down a ton of money. Is he allowed to flip with people?
no, i can't flip. i wrote in rule #9.

but as joe said, i can go to 3/6 and play crazy.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:50 PM   #24
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if its still open im in for 5k
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Does it have to be a profit pre-r ?
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