Is there much discussion on bet sizing in PLO? I personally dont pot it much if at all. This if for 2 reasons:

-I know the pot size and never say pot. If the pot is $155 I would bet $150 instead of potting.
-I usually bet 75-80% pot on my larger bets unless its a hand where we are getting it all in.

I just never say POT. Is that a disadvantage for me? Should I say POT? Does saying POT have any sort of effect on the villian?

Why I am starting to look at myself not potting is bc I think it might be a leak. We are usually multi-way and I am just giving players good odds to draw to hands. I also get pushed out of hands when people pot vs me and for some reason this past month that has started to click. I have got in some tough spots where I have 23% equity (rough at the table calculation) and someone pots it and a player calls. I have -EV on the call. And when someone pots it they leave so little behind for implied odds.

if you have the best hand and you know villain will not differentiate between a $155 bet instead of a $150 bet, you should (almost) always bet $155

I agree but rarely make pot sized bets. I ugess the questions is 2 fold.


-Should we be making 100% pot bets vs 80% pot bets?

-Does actually saying POT do anything? (villian thinks you are stronger than if you just bet)

i would recommend either saying it all the time or never and just pushing enough chips in to cover pot if you opt to bet pot, not varying between those two unless you are a master of reverse tells stuff etc... personally, i say pot if i have the chance to sit in a live game (which is rare where i live unfortunately)

as far as betting goes, i usually never pot with a spr >3 (or something in that range, dunno exactly), but if SPR goes down and i bet/call, i think it´s a mistake not to pot. see that a lot online, where say remaining stacks are 100bb, pot is 85bb, and a player hits his preaction button 70% and bets ~ 60bb ott. in that case, i think it´s a rather serious mistake not to bet pot with your whole bet/calling range (on not ld-boards that is).

I don't pot turns that much either bc usually I am left with only a little behind for rivers. I like my river size to be something to consider as opposed to betting $200 into $1500 and I get called no matter what.

bet pot or say pot what ever u feel like vs a fish who will call any bet when u have the best hand/best equity. bet an amount depending on how dynamic the board is vs semi thinking and good players.

e.g. A22r hu in pos. a half pot will be more than enough to take the pot down and also allow villains to spew easier when we are holding a strong hand and also saves us money when we are b/f. on boards like J105cc in the same situation we should bet larger maybe 2/3rds to 3/4 pot to discourage calls from weak draws that have okay equity against us and also protect our hand when holding top set ect. but i wouldnt bet pot in this situation as we still dont want to discourage light c/r or bluffs.

put simply - if some1 bets pot vs you, do you c/r more often vs a pot sized bet or a half pot / 3/4 pot sized bet??

i mean, sometimes betting pot is optimal, and sometimes its awful. you cant really generalise across the board, its a matter of taking each situation on its merits. if you do decide to bet pot in a live setting, i think that putting in enough chips to cover the pot>>> saying pot, but thats personal preference (because i never like to open my mouth live, and because if i verbalise pot, the dealer will usually verbalise the amount, which is info my oppts might otherwise not have). as to how people might interpret you saying "pot", thats also impossible to generalise - some read it as weak, some as strong, the vast majority are pretty much oblivious.

IMHO yes, there is a difference in how your bet is perceived when you forcefully say pot or put out more money than is in the pot (with the highest denomination chips at the game). Whether they read it as strong/weak I'd guess most see it as strong, but they definitely all see it as "Cap is ready to pot pot pot if he gets his runout"

You could just ask how much is in there and keep betting your 80% but there are obviously spots where you want max F.E. and have to pot it.

There are other things to consider like:
- most live players have a general sense of the math on a pot sized bet but would have no idea what $135 into $160 is doing for their draws. Double edged sword there.
- Potting has more fold equity. Another double edged sword because keeping them in lets them make big mistakes later
- If you're going to have slightly variable bet sizes, you are going to have to learn to balance them