As Stars appears to not be acting on this issue in any way and the thing is getting more and more frustrating for all of us my idea is this:
We raise however much money is necessary to hire programmers to get a seating script done that is at least as good as the ones being in use right now.
Then make it available to everybody free. What you think?

Problem with the idea is that if such a program is made, stars prob will just ban it as a project like this would make headlines all over in the pokerworld...

Not as much the program as its out there but that pokerplayers were gathering funds to have such a thing made.

Would be great if all helping programs could get banned in some way, seems impossible though :/

I predict that seating scripts will become almost as cheap as HUDs in the future. There's already at least one (EasySeat) out on the open market, no doubt others will follow. Competition > cheaper prices.

The other option is that Stars bans them, which I'm very much hoping for.

Personally, I'm still debating getting one, gonna see how things develop.

How is that a problem? After reading the title I thought that was the plan and thought it's a good one.

i like it

yeah, that's the plan.

No, bec then it will take 2 days and theres a new program under a new name and doing it so stars cant detect it... Its not a good longterm plan

its really easy to detect ? we should be encouraging stars to ban them , its inevitably going to get worse , so stars will have to take some sort of action. it would probably speed up the process if we all pooled some $ together

I'm no computer expert, but think stars would have a hard time proving anyone is using one 100%. Think they'd need to change the rules to something like under suspicion of using one.
Good idea.

i really dont see this working. all youll do is make the programmers rich, firstly from you, secondly from the people who pay them to improve upon the script they designed for you. i defer to others on the feasibility of stars having the means to enact and enforce a seating script ban from a technical standpoint, but in terms of whether or not they have the inclination to do so if you assume the means exist, i doubt its a massive priority for them. seating scripts mean people racing across miliseconds to play poker on their site, why is that bad for them?

Why would they ban it? How different would lobby and seating look with it available to everyone, I don't think anyone would notice...

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Only players on jesus seats will be much more randomized -> it gets even less obvious to a fish, that he is hunted. And prepare some pool for maintenance

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When u start the software u should be presented with an option that asked how many tables and wich stakes u wanted to play. Then it would randomize but keep the same table unlike zoom and nobody could camp, bumhunt og use any programs.

Then there should be penalties for players leaving the tables again within lets say 5 min... Then they would have to wait 30min again before they could make an request to play any tables, also u should not be able to sit out. Its either sit out all tables or none! Dont know how come that feature havent come yet tbh

Steve already pointed out that identifying individual cases of seating script usage will be very difficult and costly and they don't want to take on this road. That's why Stars is focusing on finding a solution which will make the use of such scripts irrelevant.

I'm in for this.

That's all good but this must've been a year ago. so it really is doubtful anything is gonna happen.

I mean even if they don't intend to ban the script I'm happy to pay say 100/month to take the advantage of those away that can't seem to win in a legit way.

You should take some time to read through my petition thread so you have a better idea of what you're talking about.

Good luck at $100/month

so I guess only way to go about this is just get one myself

At B&M casinos when a fish sits there is no way in hell a new player can just walk into the room, run as fast as he can to the best seat and sit. There is a "table change" list. Players who have been playing in the room have priority on that list. Being the fastest one to an open seat means nothing. Is there a reason this isn't possible for PS.

Why it isn't possible to give players who have been active at similar stakes/structures can not have first choice of seats when a new table opens?
I understand this might not make sense at micro stakes but at higher stakes it seems feasible.

Taking shots and moving up in stakes will become a nightmare because you will never be able to get a good seat.

pokerstars has changed a little, as they only have one dormant table available. So if you start games, you are more likely to get a seat with a fish. It sucks for the guys who would play, but not vs the very best.

Ive heard bumhunting has become p bad in casinos now too, like people will wait around till the mark comes in and as soon as he puts his name on the list they'll put it on straight after.

Why is that a bad thing? Winning players who shot and bum hunt 50/100 wouldn't just quit poker if these changes were made, they would simply move down to whatever stakes they needed to where they didn't have to dodge the very best at those stakes. Seems like it would naturally restructure the player pool more fairly.

As far as the poker ecology goes I think the closer correlation poker can achieve between skill and profits the better.

It's supposed to be very bad in the vic at the moment but that's the only place I've heard of bumhunting like that going on.

It's a rare instance where it isn't like that

I fully agree that seating scripts are completely over the top and imo should be easily decided completely against by stars. I don't think it's too hard for a single person in power to just make a personal call on the difference between them and say, huds.

I doubt anyone would complain with that decision, even people using seating scripts would understand.

Seating scripts are just BS-predatory tools furthering the slide from a competitive poker to predatory poker.