~100BB Effective

Hero(UTG) opens 21 w/ Q265
SB, aggressive rec cold calls
BB, reg calls


Pot is 63
Flop: 672

SB checks, BB bets 46, Hero calls 46, SB c/r to 247, BB folds, Hero???

What you guys do here?

I considered all options.

It does seems like a slightly ahead/way behind spot, and I don't think the fact he's a rec should factor into going with it because I'm not sure it's even possible for him to show up w/ enough weaker stuff that you're far enough ahead of to have a shove all balance out as profitable. He'd have to be a very very special kind of rec who will show up aggro here with hands uncorrelated to the board. Will he have KK54noFD/AA53noFD type stuff? Even if he ALWAYS makes this play with those hands + all the normal stuff that a good player would want to have here for value or semibluff I'm not sure we want to stick in this many bb here. Make the FD Qhi and the question gets quit a bit closer - that part is due to his rec-ness.

I don't think flatting gives us any real visibility unlike some other marginal spots, bc his range remains equally nebulous ott. UNLESS you have a read that you think he'll show his hand on a good chunk of turns, but this board actually is too low for this play.

Yeah, the board is just too low for that play and you're too deep to continue is where I wanna land the plane

But I hope you shoved so we know what he showed up with.

I mean your behind his range but the question is how far behind, will he xr wraps without hearts or overplay 2 pair without much in the way of redraw? Even against a weaker range you are still going to be in the 40/60 underdog territory.

Bb bet folding isnt a great sign either, think this is a fold

i think one of the law's of PLO is that any time you put a substantial amount of money into the pot with bottom two they show up with top set

interesting spot op, i love shorthanded puzzles!

i think depending on what assumptions we make about his range we are only getting close to breakeven at best, and fairly behind at worst

Can you please elaborate?

I think he means it's more likely the BB had some piece of the board likely blocking some of your outs.

Why is it more likely BB is blocking us as opposed to blocking villain?

Blocking villain's what? I think his assumption is that villain's range is considerably stronger than your holding so your hand needs to improve more often than his.

Edit: Also I could be just putting words in the poster's mouth and that's not what he meant at all. That is just how read/interpretted it.

Boat, flush, and straight draw.

The more I think about it what the poster probably meant is that BB is more likely to bet/fold draws here vs 2 interested players making it less likely that s/b is c/r with a bluff in this scenario.

The blocking part is inly slightly relevant as it means you probably have less equity WHEN your hand needs to improve.

To keep the explanation simple, sb xr range is the strongest on this exact action 3way, and bb is likely to fold cards that hero would prefer be live

Ok, it's my turn: Fold pre.

Yes, will fold pre in the future. Knew I was going pretty wide preflop in order to play pots with position on rec due to the limited time on earth that all recs seem to have. Hand is probably too weak to open.

I think if sb and bb switch seats im opening this pre too if i really want to play vs the rec. Our hand plays okay HU but horribly 3way.
as played i hate folding on the flop but that should be the right play.

you guys realize we are the button right? this hand is definitely an open

With this table setup the flop will be 3-ways often. Also this hand is at 51-52% which seems quite wide in a raked game against a reg that will defend his bb quite often.

Marginal opening at best made worse by the villain positions.

Pre is a fold every time.

Q356 ds is an open every time.

The 2 in your hand (2 gapper) is a big problem

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Flop is also a fold. Donk ranges are explotably value heavy. We are not closing the action and we can be driven off almost all runouts unless we want to get heavily value-owned often. This is not a spot we have to or should want to defend.

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bottom two pair and a draw that we don't really want to hit... flop is pretty much the textbook reverse implied odds spot and anything but folding seems terrible

This is a standard open imo, though we could make an exception based on table conditions.

Pretty sure I open every ds hand on the button 3 handed

I just knew the rec in the SB was aching to give me all the moneys, so I went wider than usual.

In the chat afterwards, I asked BB (the other reg) what he bet folded in that spot and he said something like 5789 rainbow. Spoiler, he also remarked that he was surprised what I was ended up having.

Clear fold if you ask me.

3rd person in hand folded already didn’t notice so it’s actually close but still my instincts say definite fold you’re never in particularly good shape and your heart draw is basically to the nut low