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01-06-2012 , 11:53 PM
Villian is a good agressive PLO600-1k reg.

Best line?


* I think i played it very-very badly. So PLO regz, plz help



$600.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players -

Hero (SB): $1027.25
BB: $1453.75
UTG: $1005.95
MP: $616.20
CO: $645.00
BTN: $263.70

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is SB with K 2 A T
UTG raises to $18, 1 fold, CO calls $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $15, BB calls $12

Flop: ($72.00) 2 5 A (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $51.75, CO folds, Hero calls $51.75, BB folds

Turn: ($175.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($175.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $172.50, Hero folds

Final Pot: $175.50
UTG wins $172.50
(Rake: $3.00)
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01-07-2012 , 12:45 AM
I think it's pretty bad for most aggressive gameplans to not have this in your flop raising range, and a lot of Axxx hands have a lot of equity against you and won't put in another bet in bad in the hand. Preflop I could go either way, but I'm a disaster pre so ask some better players instead.

Last edited by NeverScaredB; 01-07-2012 at 01:08 AM.
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01-07-2012 , 12:51 AM
3x flop....
i call that riverbet...but i`m a station
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01-07-2012 , 04:39 AM
nothing wrong with it pre could go this or that, i prefer that but who cares
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01-07-2012 , 09:36 AM
I think preflop a call would be better.
On the flop I believe a raise is best. We are ahead of his range and dont want overcards to his possible A* to hit. Plus if we play it passive and the heart hits its not like he is going to pay us off...

if turn and river bricks would your plan be to call down?
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01-07-2012 , 05:15 PM
I'd 3b most of the time if ds to the K but only ds to the T I prefer flatting. I like calling this flop, don't think we should have much of a raising range on this board.
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01-07-2012 , 05:22 PM
people who raise flop dont realize how boned we are by his continuing range
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01-07-2012 , 05:37 PM
Yup, we need ~ 46% to get it in, if we're up against (AA**,34**,55**,22**)&20% - doubt he's opening wider than 20% pre and highly doubt he's getting 165 beebs in with worse on this board, given we have nfd - we have ~39% equity. With the nfd we have very little to protect against when we're ahead - 6-9, JQ not hearts, and we still have great redraws vs all the hands that catch up on these turns. Even though we're OOP, the hand is still easy to play on most turns and rivers as well.

Think river fold is fine as well, could be convinced to call.
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01-07-2012 , 05:43 PM
against very aggressive, especially somebody who regularly plays higher i would 3bet pre.

flop i would cbet/call.

as played, flop is a raise.


as played, i would call the river. but then again, i call way too much.. so the fold might be right?
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01-07-2012 , 07:40 PM
If we make it 130 on the flop, I think we could get re"bluffed" by villain or floated given that he is getting such a nice price.
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01-07-2012 , 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
If we make it 130 on the flop, I think we could get re"bluffed" by villain or floated given that he is getting such a nice price.
how do you get rebluffed? are you serious about raise folding ?! we might not reship but were never folding!
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01-07-2012 , 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hotcocacola
Villian is a good agressive PLO600-1k reg.

Best line?


* I think i played it very-very badly. So PLO regz, plz help



$600.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players -

Hero (SB): $1027.25
BB: $1453.75
UTG: $1005.95
MP: $616.20
CO: $645.00
BTN: $263.70

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is SB with K 2 A T
UTG raises to $18, 1 fold, CO calls $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $15, BB calls $12

Flop: ($72.00) 2 5 A (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $51.75, CO folds, Hero calls $51.75, BB folds

Turn: ($175.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($175.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $172.50, Hero folds

Final Pot: $175.50
UTG wins $172.50
(Rake: $3.00)

Grunch:

Pleeeeeeasee raise the flop! U have like the fkn nuts! People don't frequently play small cards or small pairs once they start playing higher due to huge rios from making non nut 2nd best hands.
However it's sometimes a plus to play wheel wraps specifically trying to stack AAA but that's a lot less likely IMO.
My point behind the reasoning is that u usually have the best of it and certainly can't be that far behind.

I think river might be a call. He can really only have a 3 or AA that wins. I guesssss he could certainly be good enough to bet A5 again tho so maybe it's a fold. Think I call fold like 60/40ish



Edit
Having reconsidered comments both by db and wazz I feel like flop raise is less mandatory than my initial post states, but I'm probably still doing it quite a bit.
If we c/c assume we're just calling down? Plans on 9s? Td? Jh?
Can't we sometimes induce floats / continuance from ABBB maybe with worse hearts or Pot controlling (likely folding ui) A5?

Last edited by ship; 01-07-2012 at 08:20 PM. Reason: Reconsideration and curiosity
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01-08-2012 , 12:47 AM
I agree w/ everything that wazz said.
River it's villain dependant tho, might be a call or fold according to his tendencies.
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01-08-2012 , 01:19 AM
fold river.. he might have 5577 or something. this deep both u and the BB have AA in your ranges. furthermore he might very well have AA himself. he fired flop in a 4-way pot. and button was short, so that probably should have tightened up his preflop utg range

Last edited by monkeyHAHAHA; 01-08-2012 at 01:26 AM.
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01-08-2012 , 04:45 AM
After reading wazz and doorbreads comment i have to say i think its a clear choice - dont think we get it in good at all considering how narrow his get it in range are on that flop. And also i think the turn playability is one major factor. He obv doesnt rr bluff to small rr when you raise with peopl left to act. But could prop continue light or bluff on turns when you just call.
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01-08-2012 , 05:44 AM
Noone likes leading here?
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01-08-2012 , 06:04 AM
Wazz is 100% right here. We're way too deep to raise the flop when a hand that's willing to stack off here is going to have us in such bad shape. Either leading or check/calling is fine based on villain's C-bet tendencies. On the river, it could be a call with a ton of history since our range is so obviously weak and villain can easily rep a boat, but against a random good reg that sizing is going to be nutted way more often than not and it's an easy fold.
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01-08-2012 , 07:13 AM
don't lead this board in a 4 way pot lol
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