pretty aggro table with a lot of 3 and 4bets.
I don't really know villian besides he's a aggro reg who likes to pot it all the time.
Maybe I should be betting more otf, 350 or something

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $6.00 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($451.55)
Hero (MP) ($4430)
CO ($2390.20)
Button ($2051.30)
SB ($816.40)
BB ($600)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, A, J, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $24, 1 fold, Button raises to $88.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $280.80, Button calls $192.60

Flop: ($577.80) 4, 5, A (2 players)
Hero bets $294, Button calls $294

Turn: ($1165.80) 8 (2 players)

Total pot: $1165.80

lol fyl...
any reads about his peeling range?
i'de only call pre btw bc i hate play this deep with so much money behind oop.

i'de tank and c/f

not sure i like 4balling if hes going to make your life hell oop. if hes 3betting really wide like you obv its fine.

flop id like 425/give up. vs 294 hes peeling nearly all fds or sds, x/ f now

i like 4bet pre.

flop std play...

turn its a puke spot.its gross because don't think he has many 76xx in his range. but don't think we can bet this turn. or we can?

this is very very interesting hand. id like to hear more opinios and see a discussion. i think nobody posted here because its a hard spot where everyone don't have a clube about how to play this spot.

I like pre and flop play.

Turn is über gross. If your PF 4-betting range is very AA heavy I would i c/c turn and bet big on board pairing rivers and either jam diamonds or c/decide.

Am I the only one that doesn't see flopturnriver.com suits? Even when I open the images in a separate tab I get an error message.

i do not like 4b. turn is super tilting card

4betting pre is bad....
ott i b/f half pot.....
edit:c/f is prolly better

I really don't get 4-betting OOP with these stacks. Just seems ugly. As played, I think flop is fine and I'd definitely bet ~1/2 pot on the turn as we can pretty credibly rep an AAxx hand that's committed and doesn't wanna give a free card to hearts, and I think it's really hard for a lot of the weaker/floaty part of villain's range to continue if we bet. I mean it has to be better than just check/folding.

villains pot size bets inhibit him from being able to bluff this card efficiently and if he's any good he'll be checking back with a fair frequency. not too concerned with giving hands that have 25% equity free cards when he'll play perfectly against a bet. betting half pot on this board with effective stacks isn't something that fits into a lot of peoples' gameplans unfortunately

PRE IS FINEEEEEEEEEEEEE LOL

how can pre be fine?
villain needs a 20% 3bet range that we are fav....
we`ve no deception value.all hands we poss make are nut flushes,str8 to ace and so on....exactly what villain is putting us on.
and ofc we`ve 0 FE.

so why are we 4betting?
only for being the preflop agressor...?
that we can cbet....?
way overrated!

oh,i know...it`s for doubling up std dev!!!!
that our performance is lost in variance forever..

I agree. I wouldn't mind betting flop a little bit bigger given stacksizes.

pre is fine.
c/f

pre can clearly be fine. If he's the type to 3 bet T986 stuff then its obv good.

bet bigger on the flop

OTT, I guess I'd start w a check expecting him to check back a lot of the time.

pre is obv fine. I'd bet smaller on flop

Pre is not fine. I dislike 4betting hands you have to fold to a 5bet and have no deception advantage on all middling boards. As played I cbet a lot larger. Turn is a c/f in my opinion.
call 3bet, play a pot. Taking back the lead and bloating this pot out of position makes this a nightmare.

We have against AAxx 36% so we don't fold to a 5bet.
I'm opening my 4betting range deep, because it's gonna make me harder to play against. i mean if we don't 4bet this hand pre, I guess we don't have a 4betting range here.
imo he's 3betting her about 20-30%

A very tricky spot to be in on the turn, obviously

I'm personally not opposed to the p/f play except for

A) You're playing the hand out of position and

B)You don't really know villain besides he's aggro and likes to pot pretty often.

If you knew more about villains propensity to play 3bet/call certain hands (such as 789T ds, or if he only calls opens and 3bets with big pairs) then you'd know more about how to proceed on this turn. Would he aggressively pot you if he flopped top pair with NFD?

As played, on the turn I'd definitely end up checking, as the hand hero is representing is strong but not the nuts on the turn. If he pots it, I'd have to fold, as a shove is out of the question and a call doesn't seem reasonable to me either. Difficult to figure out villains range. Could have a legit hand or a float in position. I suppose check calling should be the right play some of the time, say, 20%, but a c/c on turn would commit you to a c/c on any river.

If you want, use Harrington's randomization technique of using the the second hand on your watch when you decide the percentage of time's you'll c/c. 20% corresponds with the first 12 seconds on your watch. So if it's 3:05 and 7 seconds, check/call down two streets to the tune of 2 thousand or so dollars, in accordance with proper randomization techniques.

Gus used to experiment with this theory, pot and repot pre flop because you are never that far behind his range if you're behind at all. It results in bloating massive pots and if you're out of position you open your nose to making a lot of mistakes in the hand. Cbet flop/fold turn. Or bet/fold flop. The more you bloat oop the more you're going to get jammed on , floated or semi bluffed on the turn. You seem adamant that pre flop is okay and that all you want is turn advice. Well the turn is hard because of what you did pre flop not because the turn is a hard spot. The shallower the stack to pot ratio is, the less bet/folding is possible, which is probably optimal if this wasn't a 4bet pot. You talk about not having a 4bet range preflop that isn't aaxx combos. Well it's way more exploitable to not have a turn bet/folding or weak semi bluffing range. How easy are you to play against if every time you bet turn you're felting your hand. He can play perfectly against you for a big pot whereas the mistakes you make preflop are small for a small pot.

Uh, what is all this? First off, regardless of whether we can call against a 5-bet or not (and I'm leaning towards no with the stack sizes since the small amount remaining on the flop will lead to reverse implied odds), the fact of the matter is that if it's a close decision between calling and folding, then we've completely wasted the value of the hand including the $281 we've already put in.

And then you're saying if we don't 4-bet this, we don't have a 4-betting range? Uh, WTF? AQT9ds isn't even close to one of the first hands we'd put in to balance our AAxx. We've got good double pairs, double-suited one gappers, single suited rundowns, even QQJT type stuff would all play better here for a 4-bet than AQT9ds. All we're saying is that you don't need a 10% 4-bet range OOP when a 5-bet is going to get over half the effective stacks in which should be pretty self-evident if you think about it.

Great post in my opinion !

Jaop, why the mad faces. Id like to hear your response to my post

there aren`t many leaks our fellows in this forum have....
the major one is putting insane amounts of bb`s in pre with all sort of "playable hands"...
let us pls keep it like that.....

your post is too good!(as iggy`s is)