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08-10-2019 , 03:21 AM

OmahaDonk

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Hero in sb with A

, 600 eff.

Pre: Co raise 10, Btn raise 39, hero raise 133, both call

Flop (405) : T

Hero (467)..

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08-10-2019 , 04:07 AM

OmahaDonk

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Sorry I got the numbers wrong:
CO raise 12, Btn raise 45, hero raise 153, both call

Flop (465), hero (447)

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08-10-2019 , 09:59 AM

+EVillain

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Interesting spot op. despite spr1 I think I would still opt to X this OTF. There could also be merit to betting small for info.

If you check OTF CO might be more likely to play honestly with 1 behind, and BTN might also play more honestly at this SPR, fearing traps between You and co

The action pre does make it a little less likely they have a 7, but between their 8 cards it seems too thin to rip

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08-12-2019 , 12:42 AM

ziggyzaooo

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This has to be a top 20% flop for ur hand , spr less than 1 seems like a easy shove.

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08-12-2019 , 08:46 PM

SolarAU

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Standard is to shove with 1 SPR. Occasionally you run into 7x+ but on average the amount of folds you get and equity you get to deny from SDs and the like make this a profitable shove.

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08-12-2019 , 11:52 PM

Alpha Fish

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you're not denying anything J9xx is a snapcall with these stack sizes, you probably still have to shove but you're getting at least one call just about always

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08-13-2019 , 12:48 AM

+EVillain

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if this were a heads up pot, or we were oop1, or we had additional EQ, or better removal it would be a much easier decision imo

multiway, being OOP2 and given that these guys have plenty of wraps, DSRDs w/7, TT: im not sure that mashing it in is the move, but maybe jam is better

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08-18-2019 , 06:26 AM

cnrd

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we have no backdoors or significant blockers and are by far the least likely to improve our hand on the turn. Given the low spr i always jam this on the flop.
I do think there might be a better line with a smaller flopbet out there. I think checking flop is horrible.

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08-18-2019 , 08:44 PM

MarkyIce

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I hate AA in Omaha, im folidng imo

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08-20-2019 , 02:58 PM

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rumnchess

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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish

you're not denying anything J9xx is a snapcall with these stack sizes

No

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As for hand these spots are close, one of them has trips or TT ~28% of the time so shoving is definitely going to be fine as a default and will never be bad. Depending on villain tendencies though, checking or even betting small can be better. If you have good reads on your opponents (either that they will bet way too tight here or that they'll stab too wide) I'd suggest checking, otherwise just pile. One benefit of checking is if two people put money in the pot you have an easy fold

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08-20-2019 , 03:53 PM

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Alpha Fish

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Originally Posted by rumnchess

No

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yes. any T with no pair is a call as well with spr<1 vs AA

basically, anything that 3b/calls and open/calls a cold 4b for 25% of a stack you would have to invent some convoluted hands to think you're not getting called on the flop by at least one of them

the only hands you're denying are the ones that are not flatting cold 4b to begin with like KKxx. just about every rundown in the world is priced in otf

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08-20-2019 , 06:28 PM

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AmazingErvin

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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish

What? So you're folding KKxx and calling Txxx? And don't understand concept of pot odds, J9xx easiest fold ever with just a gutter?

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08-20-2019 , 08:12 PM

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Alpha Fish

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wat

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08-21-2019 , 03:09 PM

#14

rumnchess

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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish

Run the math. KQJ9 and KQJT are both trivially easy folds as the in position player facing a shove from the 4bettor.

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08-21-2019 , 04:17 PM

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Alpha Fish

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well yeah I guess I wasn't clear that I've meant the whole range of J9* which has 7s and 98 in it. in general there will not be too many j9 hands folding this flop with pf action

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08-26-2019 , 10:57 AM

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5th Suit

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i dont like the 4b pre, kind of turns your hand face up. they are weak aces and they're going to be difficult and awkward to play on most boards oop.

personally on paired flops i like to bet 1/3 pot whether i have it or don't. this way if the small bet is attacked they have some fear i have it. in a 3way pot villains tend to be more straightforward. it might be a better option than just jamming since 7 is a common card. i'd feel safer gii if it were 55-.

just bc spr is 1 doesn't mean you can just burn money. if you're called you're way behind. do you ever 4b a hand like kqjt ds pre? if you do what are you doing in this same situation same flop?

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08-26-2019 , 06:11 PM

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WiCane

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Originally Posted by 5th Suit

i dont like the 4b pre, kind of turns your hand face up. they are weak aces and they're going to be difficult and awkward to play on most boards oop.

personally on paired flops i like to bet 1/3 pot whether i have it or don't. this way if the small bet is attacked they have some fear i have it. in a 3way pot villains tend to be more straightforward. it might be a better option than just jamming since 7 is a common card. i'd feel safer gii if it were 55-.

just bc spr is 1 doesn't mean you can just burn money. if you're called you're way behind. do you ever 4b a hand like kqjt ds pre? if you do what are you doing in this same situation same flop?

4b pre is printing money.

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08-26-2019 , 11:55 PM

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cnrd

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these are great aces, we are connected to the wheel and have a suit. not 4b here is a huge mistake.

otf we could jam with 0% equity and 50% FE. i doubt we ever have 0% equity and i doubt call frequencies will be higher than 35%ish here.

i mean you can bet 1/3 otf to induce but you arent really getting away from your hand here. i guess the hands that we might induce into have about 30-40% equity max vs us so its breakeven ev and our bluffs benefit from it.

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09-02-2019 , 06:54 AM

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Travbana

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hero checks and see what develops. jamming accomplish nothing.

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