Vilain plays 34/30, 25% of 3 bet over 375 hands (26% 3 bet OOP). I 4 bet him few times already on other tables and he called all the times but fold on my shove when missed his flop.

Is 4 betting against this kind of opponents the best strategy, what kind of hands should we 4 bet knowing that he doesnt fold to a 4 bet? Any high double suited hands? Hands like KJ98 single suited?

Vilain has 94% of cbet in 3 bet pot over 17 3 bet pots. Which move is the +ev on flop, call, raise pot or fold?

***** Hand History for Game 4889251503 ***** (Everest)
$400.00 USD PL Omaha - Monday, August 03, 04:29:11 ET 2009
Table Lessing1 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: gdjb ( $906.20 USD )
Seat 2: Tomaz21 ( $881.20 USD )
Seat 4: Hero ( $498.50 USD )
Seat 6: Thomas72 ( $306.00 USD )
gdjb posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
Tomaz21 posts big blind [$4.00 USD].

Dealt to Hero [ 6 T Q 8 ]
** Dealing down cards **
Hero raises [$14.00 USD]
Thomas72 folds
gdjb raises [$44.00 USD]
Tomaz21 folds
HeroI calls [$32.00 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** [ A, J, 4 ]
gdjb bets [$65.00 USD]
Hero raises [$291.00 USD]
gdjb raises [$795.20 USD]
Hero calls [$161.50 USD]

probably call, but fold isn't that bad and some will say fold I bet. raising is just awful imo.

I think this hand is too weak to 4 bet against him pre-flop and our draws are so weak we check fold the flop and wait for a better hand.

5 betting double suited high run downs and very well connected high single suit rundowns seems a good strategy. I think against him we have to also add strong K's, especially when holding an A, and strong double pairs like TT99 with a suit.

Great question about where is the cut of for 5 betting to become unprofitable and I'm also unsure...looking forward to thoughts and analysis on that. Maybe map our top 8-10% off hands?? Hands like KJ98 one suit do seem to weak.

Another strategy would be check raising flops very light, and I think we have to take one of these actions, we can't keep letting him be the aggressor like this, even though it will be very high variance.

Against a lag i definately call 3bet in pos preflop. I will get it in light, but I dont think I will raise or call the flop. In my book the flop is an easy fold. I think that the two backdoor fd and gutter is not giving u enough equity to go with it.

Its an interesting discussion about the 4-bet, but in my book I will still need a prime rundown or really good aces to 4-bet

Dion

I'd definately agree with that, Dion, in position.

What if we were out of position with the same hand? Is there merit in 4 betting wider? And are you flat calling pre-flop or is that a leak at all when out of position?

I think this becomes tough oop as you end up check folding lots of flops, or being unsure which draws and made hands are good and when to push them???

whats his turn aggresion like? float the flop..

getting it in on this flop is horrible. just fold here

calling preflop is standard, i would look to 4-bet him with strong double suited hands, quality rundowns, aces and strong kings

maniacs can wake up with aces too haha.

anyway, given how "maniacal" he is, if he had air, i think he'd bet a bit more given the fact that you never have aces here and he'll try to blow you out of the pot right away. this bet looks like a raise-inducing bet more than anything, so shoving is pretty bad. you could foat, but he's firing almost all turns given the board texture, so folding is your best option.

pre is fine, let him have it on the flop.

preflop is good, flop -> fold

you can probably mix in a minraise/fold there once in a while but I don't like potting it. also donkbetting is a viable option if he's not gonna bluffraise you on that kinda board.

You need to adjust to his aggro style in a different manner. Raising this flop with air just because he 3bets a lot pre and will show up with AAxx significantly less than other ppl is pure spew.

id 4 town his ass

"i would look to 4-bet him with strong double suited hands, quality rundowns"

....look at our hand

i dunno, seems too gappy and and has no nut suits to be considered that imo

Its definately not a good DS! You can talk about a good DS with gaps if it where 78j10

If I was OOP I would not get involved with that hand. As said earlyer you would have to c/f alot cause the maniac keeps shooting when you show weakness.

About the 4 bet, both IP and OOP, I do not think it is profitable if u have less than 150bb cause the maniac will call all day long and pretty much commit himself if he just hits bottem pair.

Dion