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05-24-2010 , 02:55 AM

fullcontact

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I havent seen the button much in the past but he plays up to plo5k. We have no dynamics and he just joined the table.

I think his flop calling range is so wide that u have to bet that turn. But if you bet you have to call. So whats your play?

Board:
Button: $2,461
SB: $2,508
BB: $2,302

Dealt to SB A

Pre-flop:
Button raises to $70, SB raises to $220, (1 folds), Button calls $160

Flop: ($480) 2

(2 Players)
SB bets $300, Button calls $300

Turn: ($1,080) K

(2 Players)
SB bets $840?

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05-24-2010 , 02:58 AM

BananaBalla

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standard if you bet/call the turn imo

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05-24-2010 , 03:08 AM

PotatoChips

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seems like straightforward bet call to me

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05-24-2010 , 04:34 AM

-RobinHood-

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if BTN calls our bet OTT and river appears like the 5

we c/f or c/c cause we get to good odds (what about a diamond or 5

)??

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05-24-2010 , 06:45 AM

Ruudolf

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bet call always

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05-24-2010 , 08:39 AM

donkey_king

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ya pretty std bet/call

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05-24-2010 , 10:47 AM

DPred123

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fairly obv that Hero isnt b/f here, so I dont think villain shoves anything worse, and we dont have any redraws. I would like it if we had AAK8.

If villain shoves I think we are always beat. The only thing that he can shove and we beat is pair+FD, pair+OESD, pair+GSSD, wrap, and I definitely think villain would have shoved flop with that.

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05-24-2010 , 10:58 AM

-RobinHood-

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so u c/f?

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05-24-2010 , 11:01 AM

2+2=5

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Originally Posted by DPred123

sorry i dont get something, so you still b/c turn?

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05-24-2010 , 11:20 AM

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DPred123

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Originally Posted by 2+2=5

sorry i dont get something, so you still b/c turn?

you didnt get anything at all? Or just that u dont know if Im bet/calling or checking?

It depends on the villain obviously. If we are beat here it has to be KK or two pair combinations with a king.
I dont like the idea of b/c 90bbs with one pair on the turn, but I would do it anyway, since we are only beat be the stuff I mentioned above

Last edited by DPred123; 05-24-2010 at 11:26 AM. Reason: cant make up my mind

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05-24-2010 , 11:44 AM

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BananaBalla

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yah DP is basically saying that we have to bet the turn because our hand is usually still good, but we hate life when villain shoves because we're almost always crushed if he does.

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05-24-2010 , 11:49 AM

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DPred123

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Originally Posted by BananaBalla

yah DP is basically saying that we have to bet the turn because our hand is usually still good, but we hate life when villain shoves because we're almost always crushed if he does.

yes this

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05-24-2010 , 12:28 PM

#13

2+2=5

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Originally Posted by DPred123

just was a little surpraised because thought you might check turn, got it now ty.

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05-24-2010 , 01:30 PM

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Jeans

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Well checking cant be good as we have the best hand so often, when we bet that amount we'll simply be getting so good odds when he shoves even tho we know we are crushed it's a call and hope to see some random K79x or K with fd or whatever, so I'd just go ahead and pot the turn, charge the max out of pure draws who will only call and put in the rest of the money on the river if they hit.

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05-24-2010 , 01:48 PM

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Hattifnatt

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flame away if you want but 3-bet preflop is not a must even 3-handed imo (even if its fine obv), stacks are pretty awkward and no ace are suited.

if I 3-bet checking the flop and take it from there is not out of the question OOP vs someone you know are playing higher and you have no good read on, he will often call you very light on this board and own you on the turn in position.

as played, I guess you have to go with it and b/c.

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05-24-2010 , 02:42 PM

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bias1

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I am going to play Devils Advocate and ask everyone what villian raises our turn lead with, that we have beat.

How bad is b/f half pot here on the turn?

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05-24-2010 , 09:44 PM

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Nicotine Dreams

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id rather not bet than bet half pot.

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05-25-2010 , 02:13 AM

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Doorbread

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Originally Posted by Hattifnatt

flame away if you want but 3-bet preflop is not a must even 3-handed

We get it, you're a nit.

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05-25-2010 , 06:04 AM

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Hattifnatt

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Originally Posted by Doorbread

We get it, you're a nit.

that was constructive, I even said 3-betting obv was fine. but if you want to evolve why flatting would be so astronomically bad feel free to do so. and I dont care if people call me a nit and regaring 3-betting OOP vs good opponents with (semi)deep stacks in PLO I more or less def is one.

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05-25-2010 , 06:10 AM

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uphigh_downlow

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philosophically speaking 3 betting is nitty because all lines that come out of it lack the sense of adventure that comes with the float and guess lines that result from a flat preflop.

Sure takes more skill to flat than it takes to 3bet.

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05-25-2010 , 06:11 AM

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Doorbread

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Originally Posted by Hattifnatt

flame away if you want but 3-bet preflop is not a must even 3-handed imo (even if its fine obv)

a bit deeper and i'd actually prefer a flat not being suited to the ace. i just find you saying this or a variation of this A LOT and it's like, "Ok, we get it. Flatting pre is an option."

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05-25-2010 , 06:23 AM

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Hattifnatt

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Originally Posted by Doorbread

a bit deeper and i'd actually prefer a flat not being suited to the ace. i just find you saying this or a variation of this A LOT and it's like, "Ok, we get it. Flatting pre is an option."

fair enough, havent said it that much lately though. guess you agree with me (at least to some degree) in this specific case then.

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05-25-2010 , 08:25 AM

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mickeg

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in this situation i usually flat my aces OOP.
Anyway I think the line is good, the turn is a good card to keep betting at, 3/4 - pot. and probably call it off.

cause of the fact that many players call 100% on button in this scenario is a flop CR ok? If he also check it back we keep the pot small and could donk more safely on turn. Doesnt most people bet one pair hands expecting to rarely get checkraised. They will call it off with pairs+gutters , flushdraws, and it will be a flip or well be slightly favourites unless the flop did hit them well already.

If he fold we pick up 780 dollars. Maybe we need to mix up are play here?

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