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View Poll Results: Action on Hero. What Should Hero do on the Flop?
Flat Call 14 38.89%
Raise to isolate 16 44.44%
Other 6 16.67%
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Old 10-08-2017, 03:59 AM   #1
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PLO200

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PLO200 Online 6-max

200BB Effective.

UTG Folds, Hero Raises Pot 3.5BB, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Cold Calls, BB 3bets to full pot.

Hero calls, SB Calls.

Hero: Kc Qc Jd 3d

Flop: 9c Td 2h

BB Bets full pot

Hero...

1) Calls because he has to improve (make a straight) and invite SB in
2) Raises to go headsup against SB (most likely) overpair
3) Something else
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:02 AM   #2
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Re: PLO200

Mods pls move to SSPLO.
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Old 10-08-2017, 10:00 AM   #3
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Re: PLO200

Raise - A lot of turn cards that make your straight will kill your action versus overs or give you further outs. If BB has a connected rundown hand he will still call and you'll often be free rolling them.
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Old 10-08-2017, 01:49 PM   #4
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Re: PLO200

Raise, and it's not to isolate. It's to build the pot so when you hit your K,Q,J, or 8, you have an easy bet/shove on turn/river.
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:00 PM   #5
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Re: PLO200

fold pre. just call flop (you dont want to get it in against his gii range) + you can semi bluff turns on many turns
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Old 10-09-2017, 12:54 AM   #6
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Re: PLO200

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Raise, and it's not to isolate. It's to build the pot so when you hit your K,Q,J, or 8, you have an easy bet/shove on turn/river.
On the flop, the pot should be 42 BB with ~190BB behind. Re-raise pot is basically all in.
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Old 10-22-2017, 07:37 PM   #7
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Re: PLO200

I don't see point in raising the flop with dead money, 1player already all in when you have a draw.
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Old 10-23-2017, 09:21 AM   #8
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Re: PLO200

fold pre
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Old 10-24-2017, 10:32 AM   #9
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Re: PLO200

Call - you have two BDFD also so see a turn if hes never folding to a reraise
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:21 PM   #10
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Re: PLO200

nut wrap and 2 bdfd... repot, call it off.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:43 PM   #11
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Re: PLO200

I voted other. Would flat call on flop with intention of bluffing certain cards that make a low wrap if stack sizes allow it.

Ultimately, I think calling and betting turn on certain cards that don't improve you is correct.

But, I am beginner at this game.

And of course smashing when you get there!
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Old 10-24-2017, 10:08 PM   #12
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Re: PLO200

fold pre? jesus
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:28 AM   #13
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Re: PLO200

I like a call and a pot raise on *almost* any turn card. Most players aren’t raising sets on this flop so potting there is a little transparent
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Old 11-14-2017, 10:44 AM   #14
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Re: PLO200

Granted I'm a live cash guy but are people really folding this in the HJ?!
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:10 AM   #15
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Granted I'm a live cash guy but are people really folding this in the HJ?!
You’d have to be playing like a 15/10 to fold this so no, not many people i don’t think
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:51 AM   #16
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Re: PLO200

I'm pretty aggro and don't really have a problem with folding pre-flop
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Old 11-14-2017, 12:10 PM   #17
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I'm pretty aggro and don't really have a problem with folding pre-flop
I wouldn’t say it’s egregious or even that it’s a leak to fold in this spot but i don’t think it’s common practice
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Old 11-14-2017, 12:20 PM   #18
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Re: PLO200

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I'm pretty aggro and don't really have a problem with folding pre-flop
open is fine.
folding to the 3bet wouldn´t be too bad though
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:39 AM   #19
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Re: PLO200

So I did some follow-up on this hand, pql ranks this hand higher than I expected at 14% 6h

I think this metric overstates its value (especially deep) and I would be deciding how profitable an open this is more based on the players at the table than as a 'standard' open

Certainly a great hand for advanced 6max range discussion, I only play live now so I haven't studied some of these spots to the extent I'd like to
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Old 11-18-2017, 03:17 AM   #20
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Re: PLO200

This is a call. It's pretty simple: you don't have an equity advantage.

Villain will often share elements of your draw (or block outs) while often having some sort of pair or better high card to go with it. Stuff like AA[K-J][K-J], AAQ8, AAJ8, KKQ*, KKJ*,KQQ*, QQJ*, QJJ*, KQT*, KJT*, QJT*, AQJ*, AKJ*, plus some of the two pairs and sets. You're at an equity disadvantage against all of these, and all will be a part of a BB vs. MP squeezing range to some degree.
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Old 11-19-2017, 03:58 AM   #21
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Re: PLO200

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open is fine.
folding to the 3bet wouldn´t be too bad though
Folding to the 3bet in position getting a little better than 2:1 would be a disaster
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Old 11-19-2017, 11:01 AM   #22
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Re: PLO200

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Folding to the 3bet in position getting a little better than 2:1 would be a disaster
disaster is such a strong word...
3 200bb stacks probably fine to call.
In a 100bb game or shorter, if they have reasonable ranges, in the worst relative position postflop, and if sb is somewhat competent, this hand is whack.

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15%32.81% 188,71316,405

disastrous to throw away so much equity...
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