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View Poll Results: Action on Hero. What Should Hero do on the Flop?

Flat Call

14 38.89%

Raise to isolate

16 44.44%

Other

6 16.67%

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10-08-2017 , 03:59 AM

HUMBLE.

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Interested in your thoughts.

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UTG Folds, Hero Raises Pot 3.5BB, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Cold Calls, BB 3bets to full pot.

Hero calls, SB Calls.

Hero: Kc Qc Jd 3d

Flop: 9c Td 2h

BB Bets full pot

Hero...

1) Calls because he has to improve (make a straight) and invite SB in
2) Raises to go headsup against SB (most likely) overpair
3) Something else

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10-08-2017 , 04:02 AM

HUMBLE.

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Mods pls move to SSPLO.

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10-08-2017 , 10:00 AM

U5eless Bluff

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Raise - A lot of turn cards that make your straight will kill your action versus overs or give you further outs. If BB has a connected rundown hand he will still call and you'll often be free rolling them.

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10-08-2017 , 01:49 PM

VerdantDevil

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Raise, and it's not to isolate. It's to build the pot so when you hit your K,Q,J, or 8, you have an easy bet/shove on turn/river.

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10-08-2017 , 05:00 PM

tanguillo

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fold pre. just call flop (you dont want to get it in against his gii range) + you can semi bluff turns on many turns

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10-09-2017 , 12:54 AM

flyingnite

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Originally Posted by VerdantDevil

Raise, and it's not to isolate. It's to build the pot so when you hit your K,Q,J, or 8, you have an easy bet/shove on turn/river.

On the flop, the pot should be 42 BB with ~190BB behind. Re-raise pot is basically all in.

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10-22-2017 , 07:37 PM

Purasevic

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I don't see point in raising the flop with dead money, 1player already all in when you have a draw.

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10-23-2017 , 09:21 AM

brmildur

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fold pre

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10-24-2017 , 10:32 AM

lucaspawpaw16

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Call - you have two BDFD also so see a turn if hes never folding to a reraise

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10-24-2017 , 02:21 PM

#10

agnostia

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nut wrap and 2 bdfd... repot, call it off.

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10-24-2017 , 08:43 PM

#11

pokerchris

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I voted other. Would flat call on flop with intention of bluffing certain cards that make a low wrap if stack sizes allow it.

Ultimately, I think calling and betting turn on certain cards that don't improve you is correct.

But, I am beginner at this game.

And of course smashing when you get there!

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10-24-2017 , 10:08 PM

#12

Your Mom

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fold pre? jesus

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10-25-2017 , 10:28 AM

#13

stew.robinson

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I like a call and a pot raise on *almost* any turn card. Most players aren’t raising sets on this flop so potting there is a little transparent

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11-14-2017 , 10:44 AM

#14

rumnchess

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Granted I'm a live cash guy but are people really folding this in the HJ?!

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11-14-2017 , 11:10 AM

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stew.robinson

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Originally Posted by rumnchess

Granted I'm a live cash guy but are people really folding this in the HJ?!

You’d have to be playing like a 15/10 to fold this so no, not many people i don’t think

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11-14-2017 , 11:51 AM

#16

monikrazy

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I'm pretty aggro and don't really have a problem with folding pre-flop

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11-14-2017 , 12:10 PM

#17

stew.robinson

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

I'm pretty aggro and don't really have a problem with folding pre-flop

I wouldn’t say it’s egregious or even that it’s a leak to fold in this spot but i don’t think it’s common practice

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11-14-2017 , 12:20 PM

#18

sauhund

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

I'm pretty aggro and don't really have a problem with folding pre-flop

open is fine.
folding to the 3bet wouldn´t be too bad though

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11-15-2017 , 12:39 AM

#19

monikrazy

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So I did some follow-up on this hand, pql ranks this hand higher than I expected at 14% 6h

I think this metric overstates its value (especially deep) and I would be deciding how profitable an open this is more based on the players at the table than as a 'standard' open

Certainly a great hand for advanced 6max range discussion, I only play live now so I haven't studied some of these spots to the extent I'd like to

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11-18-2017 , 03:17 AM

#20

Antidote

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This is a call. It's pretty simple: you don't have an equity advantage.

Villain will often share elements of your draw (or block outs) while often having some sort of pair or better high card to go with it. Stuff like AA[K-J][K-J], AAQ8, AAJ8, KKQ*, KKJ*,KQQ*, QQJ*, QJJ*, KQT*, KJT*, QJT*, AQJ*, AKJ*, plus some of the two pairs and sets. You're at an equity disadvantage against all of these, and all will be a part of a BB vs. MP squeezing range to some degree.

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11-19-2017 , 03:58 AM

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rumnchess

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Originally Posted by sauhund

open is fine.
folding to the 3bet wouldn´t be too bad though

Folding to the 3bet in position getting a little better than 2:1 would be a disaster

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11-19-2017 , 11:01 AM

#22

sauhund

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Originally Posted by rumnchess

Folding to the 3bet in position getting a little better than 2:1 would be a disaster

disaster is such a strong word...
3 200bb stacks probably fine to call.
In a 100bb game or shorter, if they have reasonable ranges, in the worst relative position postflop, and if sb is somewhat competent, this hand is whack.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KcJcQd3d	27.80%	160,957	11,820
8%	39.39%	228,924	14,931
15%	32.81%	188,713	16,405

disastrous to throw away so much equity...

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