$5.00/10.00 Omaha Cash Games, 4 Players
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Board:
UTG: $985
SB: $1,978
BB: $1,484.75
Button: $1,502

Dealt to SB T J 9 T

Pre-flop:
(1 folds), SB raises to $25, BB calls $20

Flop: ($60) 4 Q A (3 Players)
SB bets $40, BB raises to $180, SB calls $140

Turn: ($420) 8 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $420, SB calls $420

River: ($1,260) 9 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $854.75


note: we are only4handed

Villain plays up to plo5k. In this session he was stuck a few buy ins and made a few bad calls and raises. IMO, he was a bit tilted and not playing his A-Game, but I could be wrong. We both had a very aggressiv dynamic and he raised my cbet a few times.


Flop: Call is standard, dont like any other option

Turn: Call standard again imo, gives villain the chance to make a mistake on the river. If I shove turn he can play pretty much perfect against me.

River: I dont like the fourth club. What do you think is my range in villain spot to raise call the flop and check call the turn?
Is your decision affected by the fourth club on the river?


I am going to give results later.

I thank you in advance for your answers.

i'd probably call

call

Dídn't you already decide that if you call turn and the river is a blank you'd call any bet on the river too? I mean, the only hand that you beat with a flush in it has now changed from the 9hi-F to the 8hi-F. The board hasn't paired, only the bet you have to call now is pretty big.

I was thinking about it from villains perspective where he can put you on a set of Q, A that bet/calls flop, c/c turn and checks river when missed. That way his line makes alot of sense with the pot on the turn and 2/3pb on the river. The Khi-F is definetely one of them, but he could play alot of flushes that way if he's on tilt, so i'd just call this 1.

Imo vs a bit tilting villain you beat him here more often than he beats you, so i'd call.

The fourth club is good news imo.

call imo..consider checking flop

checking flop seems bad

It's really a pretty simple player-dependent spot. About 75% of people will have the naked ace more often than the nut flush, and about 24% will have the nut flush pretty much always, and it's only a remotely close decision with about 1% of all people. You pretty much just have to play it accordingly. I can't ever see a situation where I call flop and turn and then decide to fold river just because a club's like 10% harder to bluff than any other card. Actually, with a flush, if I even call the flop I'm never folding.

I assume iggy means the naked King here. The range of hands that doesn't 3b you but does call a raise that includes the naked King of clubs is hard to define.
Overall, if I'm calling turn its because I think he bluffs this river with the naked ace every time. You are pretty much at the top of your range fwiw.
I call the river in this particular spot.

His sizing looks alot like the dry K imo.

dont see you can do anything but call here

Hmmm, well I disagree. After hero calling the flop villain should put him on a made flush a significant % of the time. So he should assume that he is not all that likely to dump that on the turn, so he should try to manipulate hero`s odds in a way that he is prized in on the river in case he has the nuts.
Then again if villain knows that hero knows...

Still I`d call.

If Villian's tilted I like the call, I would even consider shoving for value at that point!

Answering your question, river is a great card, since it removes many Kxx9cc combos he could have. KKxx with clubs I guess he would have reraised preflop, so the only Kc I can imagine should be sth like KcQxJx8c-7c since you have two ten blockers and Jc-Tc. So I agree it seems a naked king bluff.

If he's tilting, of course his range may be wider than some connected high card rundowns, but then, and answering to the second question of what's your range in villian's eyes, he can put you in AAxx, QQxx or AQxx looking to boat and raising and betting any 2 clubs for value. He can think his small fd is good here, hence what I said about shoving for value. Apart from being 4-handed in a SB vs BB battle.

Sorry about my english tough, I hope I made my point clear.

i think by the turn your hand looks very much like a flush to villian. and if you two have a very aggressive dynamic, he knows you're very likely to call with a flush on that river, he'd probably just bomb it rather than bet 3/4 pot. his sizing on the river would make me call this.

If you fold this river, fold the flop or turn.

If river is an A,Q,8 what do you do? Much more interesting than the actual hand.

Lol exacatly, how far do you want to read into it. Thing is with the description of the villain he may not be thinking that clearly in the heat of the battle and fire that 3rd barrel even though he should have gave up.

i just think the way you've played it means you have to call, you have the 2nd nuts, and have under repped your hand, after calling turn and flop i feel folding a good river card is bad

You played it great, now he thinks his whatever high flush is good, or he is bluffing, and if its the nuts then its a cooler, get it in, easy game.

+1
Against a tilting villain who normally plays higher and thinks he can run people over at these stakes it's a fist pump call.

I think this is such a player dependent spot that it does not even make for that great of a thread imho.

given description of player, I like the play.

obv forth club is good for our hand

nuts or bluff here. Def fold turn if ur folding river and +1 to iggys comment its so player dependant.

One unsaid reason I like a call here if u dont have reads he is not a bluffer is that he needs to have the K+ 2,3,5,6,7,8 clubs in his hand to call. There are not all that many hands that have the K + 2-8 in them especially if he 3 bets suited KK.