It seems that as of yet, there is no standardized nomenclature on how to classify and designate wraps. Given that I am a wonderful person, I have decided to swoop in and give some names I've come up with! Any suggestions are welcome!

1) 456 on J37 triple gut 9 outs
2) KJT on AQ4 broadway 9 outs [ weak ]
3) 567 on J34 megastraight 13 outs
4) 578 on J46 wraparound 13 outs
5) 568 on J47 wraparound 13 outs
6) A45 on J23 wheel 13 outs
7) AQT on KJ4 super broadway 13 outs
8) KJT on AQ9 super broadway 13 outs [ medium ]
9) 256 on J34 sandwich 16 outs
10) 357 on J46 double decker 16 outs
11) 2367 on J45 super sandwich 20 outs [ strong ]

On designating draws: say you have a wrap with a connected kicker on the end, e.g. 578T on J46. This is a tail card, which will usually affect the strength of your draw. It may or may not take up one of your outs. The tail can be a live tail or dead tail depending on whether it makes your straights nuttier or gives you redraw, or a dead tail if it only takes up outs without adding anything. For example, here if the turn is a 9, we pick up some more outs with the 78T, or say our tail was a 9 for 5789 and the turn was a T, then our straights would be nuttier, although it wouldn't add any outs. A dead tail would be something like 256A on J34, a sandwich wrap with one less out, only 15, since we have an A already in our hand. Of course, it is possible that the A in our hand could help us against another wrap, so whether an extra card that hinders your wrap actually helps your hand depends strongly on ranges. This is especially true for pairs, which always take up an out of your draw. For example, 2256 on J34 probably isn't helped at all by the pair of 2's, but AAJT is helped significantly on KQ4.

On any board with a wraparound there are generally more than one wraparound possible, some of which dominate the other (and sometimes there are three wraparounds possible). Here's a good system:

Upper wraparound (KJT on Q94, 578 on J64, 78T on 469)
Middle wraparound (578 on 469)
Lower wraparound (JT8 on Q94, 235 on J64, 235 on 469)

That's all I've got. Any thoughts, suggestion, comments? Whee!

the super sandwich is also called 'the main to spain'

Why not call wraps whoopers? Or Big Macs?

i cant wait to fistpump snap eat villains chips because i have a super sandwich

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nice.

(9) and (10) are 17out wraps, unless i'm missing something.

doubledeckers and sandwiches are 17 outs. otherwise, bravo, i like triple gut and tail - quantifying backdoors is tough and that's a nice way to look at it.

this would be fun to do w the turn too... e.g. the other kind of triple-gut K963 on QT74.

it's boring next to the funny names but a notation to describe wraps is 13/0/0 for 13 nut outs, 7/3/3 for 7 nut outs, 3 second nut outs, 3 third nut outs. Etc. Some of your differently named wraps are essentially equivalent, i.e. 3-5 are all 13/0/0

Pretty sure the 9 out "triple gut" is commonly called an "inside wrap."

fun thread Dog

That's definitely a good idea for the distinction between nut and non-nut outs. I kind of wrote this out as an idea from one of my students; I figured it'd be a good learning tool for those who don't understand the differences between wraps too well.

For some reason I can't edit my OP, but yeah lol, 17 outs on those two.

Wraps 4-5 are obviously equivalent, but wrap 3 has different properties, and so I think they're worth distinguishing. Their notation is the same for both upper and lower wraps, but having a pair + wraparound or a pair + megastraight definitely changes the value of your hand relative to the board. And again, they obviously look different and I think it's worthwhile as a learning tool.

Yeah, the naming/recognition bit is real cool... and the board texture point is true.. the matchups between wraps are different on each of those three boards - there also is a difference between 4 and 5 in that J64 has 17-wraps and J74 doesn't. But just in terms of # outs/nuttiness they're all the same. Semantics really.

fwiw there are basically seven straight-less board types total... K82, AK6, AK2, AT7, J82 J92, JT2. (technically two of these have complications that split them into two subgroups based on different wrap nuttiness... e.g. AT7 and its inverse A85 have different nuttiness, so the AT7 group is kinda 2, and there's two oddballs in the AK2 group where the two tripleguts overlap - AJ7 and A84).

oh one point about tails... even dead tails often are half-live, or something. e.g. QT97 on J8x is only a 12 outer but it has running KA and 65 which is 4% equity if all live/equivalent to an out. All the standard 12-wraps are like this, though a couple only have 1 backdoor

you have a lot of free time...this is cool..in real time I never really think about the differences between these outs so interesting

more generic terms i enjoy:

mitt - any hand that is cool preflop or postflop.
spiceball - same as a mitt, usually reserved for bigger mitts - credit to Tmay420
double gizmo - any combination draw - credit to gus hansen

using these terms when talking to friends or when sweating each other makes for a better time, so they are highly recommended. plus they make the live poker more fun

Do you still consider 8910x on j73 to be a triple gut (/inside wrap)?

I feel that 8910x and 456x should be slightly different on these boards.

Both of those are pretty similar, since any one of your 9 outs gives you the nut straight.

Really cool idea. I just finished studying my 600p International Business book, and you sir, could be considered an innovator.

if 3) is the megastraight whats the 16 overcard nut wrap called (2567 on J34)?
maybe the 16 nut should be megastraight and 3) should just be called wraparound (since its 13 nut outs + whatever the fourth card does like the other wraparounds) or maybe overwrap

10 is definately a triple decker. 11 can be the Foot long.

This is just a sandwich with a 7 as a live tail, since it makes a 5 a nuttier out and can nail you some redraws.

Psh. 10's form is W B W B W (wrap vs board), if that's a triple decker then a double decker would be W B W, which falls pitifully short of anything doubly decking. Double decker it is.

Foot long is sexy, but still sounds a little gay. Super sandwich is a bit ******ed as well. From main to Spain is too long and obscure. Still waiting on a good name for this one IMO.

Is the cards on the board the meat, or the cards in hand the meat? Seems more like the double decker like the big mac with the bread slice in the middle, unless you're talking about this type of setup:

http://www.foodgeekery.com/reviews/d...down-with-kfc/

Thats what she said.

Surprised nobody has mentioned 20 card wraps like QJ87 on T9x. I usually call them nuclear wraps and purposefully try to play hands with two gaps in the middle hoping to flop them!

I like it. KQJ8, QJ87 and J876 on T9X being triple, double and single warheads.
Gets confusing trying to think of a way to include flush draws and back doors etc... ugh.

tremendous work although I am pretty sure that this wrap

should be called a clencharder cos if you get your money in with this wrap or better and miss everything then u aint clenching the cheeks of your @rse tight enough and you definitely need to clench harder the next time.

These need a name:

The AT7 board type, where the triple-gut overlaps with the wraparound.

On AT7 it's KQJ9, KQJ8 (13/0/0) and KJ98, QJ98 (14/3/0)

On the inverse A85, it's 7432, 6432 (6/7/0) and 7643, 7642 (11/6/0)

The nuttiness of the non-connected wraps is also affected. I guess this is part of what Dog is getting at with the tails.

There's 6 boards of each subtype, 12 total. (AT7, K96, Q85, J74, T63, and 952); (A85, 962, T73, J84, Q95, KT6)