Cool thread.

fwiw, the book
how-to-win-at-omaha-high-low-poker, by-mike-cappelletti

had a page where it listed all the different types of wraps and had names for them.

this nomenclature is not going to help the low/ midstakes games at all.

it would be good to have one for this forum too

w16 instead of writing 16 card wrap
w13
nw13 : wrap with only nut outs

etc

and...?

1) inside wrap
2) inside wrap (Ax inside wrap)
3,4,5) 13-overwrap
6) wheel wrap
7) broadway wrap
8) ?? - this is different, because wrap uses 3 flop cards (9)
9) 17-overwrap
10) 17-wrap (equivalent to 17-overwrap, because there is only one 17 out wrap on 1gapper textures)
11) full wrap (20-wrap)


Simpler classification would look like: X-[over/under]wrap, where X is number of outs. If there is only 1 wrap possible (say 17-wrap on 1 gapper texture) then over/under prefix should be skipped.

missing one of these coupled with 2 flushdraws on the turn and losing to a TP-type hand was the single worst experience of my poker life. Losing to a 1-outer is less dissatisfying by far.

I suggest that we enter the term "ugly maiden" as well, for any wrap that is counterfeited by blushes ... I mean flushes.

So, I had an ugly maiden sandwhich the other day...

Tiggz

and with the flush draw it becomes the 'all you can eat baby'

A wrap with a flush draw should be 'with the lot'

So you can have a super sandwich with the lot for the ultimate of deliciousness. What is it called when you have two straight flush draws on the turn?

lol at this thread (head asplodes).

All you can eat sandwhich must include a 6 and a 9 I suppose ...

11 should be "Dagwood" based off the big sangwhichs that dagwood makes in that comic strip.

____ wrap + flush draw = ____ sandwich with cheese

how was this not stickied

LOL +1 never saw this before hahaha

357 on a 46J is called a dirty harry
DO YOU FEEL LUCKY? PUNK??

thx for the bump db useful hehe

Wrap bonanza

LOL. Winner.

It would appear that omaha is a bit more complicated than hold'em. I have enough trouble recognizing all the possible straight draws on teh flop n' turn in hold'em.

Great thread... but I think we should make 11 different threads each with a poll and a few options. Might seem a bit tedious but this is important stuff

Could do 1 or 2 per week starting with #1 and finishing with #11 so each gets a decent amount of time for discussion and voting.

cheeseburgers and sandwiches everywhere

the podcast could host a poll

Nice thread. important also.
Good names help understanding PLO better and faster.
I have another question: what about the 'ins'?

I mean people here talk about : 'outs'
which then means they are behind and this wrap has to save them...

But what if you are already in front? With a made hand plus a wrap
Then these wraps are possible improving cards.
Then they are 'ins' instead of outs..

My 'ins' question is also broader:

What if two players bet on the flop.
And one player has a wrap but he has no made hand.
The second player has only a pair of kings; no straight or flush draws to the turn.

Now the wrap guy has x-outs to improve.
But the made hand guy has a lot of: 'ins' which are all the other cards that make his kings the winning hand on the river.
And also the cards that improve his kings to a winning fullhouse/ winning quads.

What are the names for the 'ins?
For example: a 29 card 'in' hand?

I agree that you can't call an inside wrap a "triple gutter". Triple gutters actually come up sometimes in 6 card PLO, so you don't want to confuse the term.