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05-15-2012 , 12:00 PM
Hi,

villain seemed a bit fishy/probably not a reg...like to htnr and come back after 5min after playing 25 hands and winning a bit ;-).

He opens 85%/doesn´t 4bet ligth and peels flop 4/7 times and raised 1/7 - so cbetting doesn´t worked so far but small sample. I can´t offer many reads regards 3bet pots - only saw his jam which was reasonable on flop. But in generell it seems he is not playing fit or fold and give up ervry pot (from what i´ve seen)...but from what i saw he was mostly making hands...




SB: $994.13 (165.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $441.75 (73.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T T A J
SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $36, SB calls $24

Flop: ($72) K 6 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $42, SB calls $42

Turn: ($156) 9 (2 players)
Hero ...???

Questions:

1.) Do you guys cbet flop or chk/decide (what?)?
2.) Depending on Question # 1: Whats your plan on turn?

tizzl
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05-15-2012 , 03:36 PM
I'd pot/call. You might get him to fold stuff like KQQ3. But mostly some line that involves checking at this point doesn't really make a lot of sense given the size of the pot and villain's tendencies.
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05-16-2012 , 03:31 AM
^Seems good to me.
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05-16-2012 , 03:38 AM
It's kind of amazing to me how much more conservative this game has become. In 2010 every reg and their mother would bet / call here, but around 100bbs I see a lot of euro site regs c/c here.

I think the regs are awful and making a lot of mistakes with their extremely conservative approaches in 3b pots, but they win more $ than I do. Of course this depends a lot on their opponents turn frequencies as well, which have also diminished into a let's see a river fest. This compounded with their tendency to float extremely light IP just seems like a really odd strategy to me that's "in" right now.

Maybe it's just the euro sites.
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05-16-2012 , 03:50 AM
i bet turn/shove riv
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05-16-2012 , 03:55 AM
Would be nice if you guys could answer Question 1 too....cbet or cc?

@sean: I have no clue how you get to ur opinion/assumption because all i did was asking question - not more...not less ;-)

But maybe you ready more between the lines then i do ;-).
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05-16-2012 , 03:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullitos
I'd pot/call. You might get him to fold stuff like KQQ3. But mostly some line that involves checking at this point doesn't really make a lot of sense given the size of the pot and villain's tendencies.
Y doesn´t checking make no sence at all? I mean if we think he is peeling light on flop or get to turn with wider range or f.e. checks back some hands (Kx) that are better and give us a freeccard? Not saying chking is best - just think there might be some reasons that make checking tunr more attractive to me then it seems for u.
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05-16-2012 , 04:19 AM
IP we could check back - but a bet is fair anyway. OOP we are forced to bet/call but often we should not be in bad shape. I see him making a move with any 2 pair OTT.
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05-16-2012 , 04:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tizzl
Would be nice if you guys could answer Question 1 too....cbet or cc?

@sean: I have no clue how you get to ur opinion/assumption because all i did was asking question - not more...not less ;-)

But maybe you ready more between the lines then i do ;-).
Been obsessing over this lately so spewed my thoughts all over your thread basically
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05-16-2012 , 05:59 AM
flop wp

awkward stacks OTT, prob betting ~110... after which you gotto call it off, I think, getting 2,5:1.
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05-17-2012 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CityHunter
IP we could check back - but a bet is fair anyway. OOP we are forced to bet/call but often we should not be in bad shape. I see him making a move with any 2 pair OTT.
Do you even have any idea what you are talking about?
This is HU game, so there is no "being IP".
How are we 'forced' to bet/call OOP?

Making a 'move' with 2pair? You make it sound as if it was a bluff or something.
Given villain description I think check/raising turn is good (prefer over bet/call).

I would check/raise turn:
reason: he never folds K, but will check behind often
he rarely calls with 6 or 2, but can sometimes make stupid bet
he *might* have floated with air and will bet turn.

Betting small (half) and calling is also reasonable.
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05-17-2012 , 11:18 PM
i know your hand is awesome and pretty, but vs a hitnrunner id flat pre.

flop cbet is standard and mandatory, even vs those players who floats a lot: very dry flop, you will take it down sometimes, your size is good imo.

turn id pot/call. i think villain will fold K and this makes the hand easier to play. if he shoves, we have nice outs. edit: i almost want crai turn, but i go for pot/call. close between both plays imo.
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05-18-2012 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Sean Rafael
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wassup DB!


Urubu: I disagree that h/run possibility makes this more of a flat pre, I'd still pop it up. Interested to know why you would flat pre vs more of a hit and runner?
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05-22-2012 , 12:28 PM
b/c
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05-23-2012 , 04:12 AM
Come on, I would cbet this flop with any4, and 2barrel like 50% of any turn. Didn't count just guessed. And on this turn I cant find an
y other options than bet/call
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