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Old 03-06-2019, 05:25 PM   #26
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Re: is PLO growing or declining in popularity

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The problem with PLO in a live setting is people don't understand the huge swings they're going to endure. You can play pretty much perfectly and still end the night down multiple buy-ins. And once people get a taste for the action the max buy-in goes up, the blinds go up and there's a huge frenzy for a few months and next thing you know the games are filled with tight pro's and all that loose action is either back to hold'em or not in the card room at all.
this has not been what's happened the last few years
there is way more plo than a few years back and much of it has been sustained.
hold em is a super boring game that often rewards super right preflop play. to top it off the people at the average hold em table are miserable compared to the average plo table.
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Old 03-06-2019, 05:30 PM   #27
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You guys are nuts its dead just like holdem. THe problem is not that the players are getting to good its the fact the traffic across the board is way down on all sites. We need the traffic to grow and it has always been through nl holdem. Even if Chris Moneymaker lost the wsop main event poker was already booming through holdem. Then it was on tv and then along came Tom Dwan destroying everyone on almost every show showing his superior talent. Thats what made poker boom.

But when all these online pros and tv pros quit holdem and went to plo and mixed games it ruined everything. They should of kept playing nlh even if they wanted to play other games have at least 1 holdem table up for holdem fans online. THey just quit complaining the other games have more action. Its like Michael Jordan quitting basketball that everyone loved to watch him play and go to baseball. Poker is dying because all the players everyone loved to watch play holdem quit playing it and people lost interest in poker. Isildur hu challenge, dwan, jungle, ivey, antonius etc playing holdem all the time made poker boom. Then from all the people online we had all kinds of action in plo too. PLO will never be mainstream game cause its to many cards and people that don't understand the game to them its like watching golf. They need to promote holdem again to bring poker back not the other games. Then when traffic grows people will migrate to plo. It sounds odd but we need nlh to boom again for us to get plo games to grow.
nl is dirt and basically dead online and it isn't bc of big name pros playing other games
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Old 03-06-2019, 05:44 PM   #28
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hold em is a super boring game that often rewards super right preflop play. to top it off the people at the average hold em table are miserable compared to the average plo table.
I kind of feel like PLO is boring and that I get rewarded by being tighter than everyone preflop.
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Old 03-07-2019, 12:13 AM   #29
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I kind of feel like PLO is boring and that I get rewarded by being tighter than everyone preflop.
How so? Even if you wait for the top 5% of hands to play, you’re rarely much better than 65% pre and obviously much worse when pots are multiway which is frequently. Good luck playing 1 hand per hour and expecting it to hold up.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:14 PM   #30
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How so? Even if you wait for the top 5% of hands to play, you’re rarely much better than 65% pre and obviously much worse when pots are multiway which is frequently. Good luck playing 1 hand per hour and expecting it to hold up.
I probably have about a 20% VPIP, which almost always makes me the tightest player at the table. I don't spew money with two pair plus a weak draw, bottom/middle set, bottom wraps, or non-nut flush draws because my preflop hand selection makes it less likely that I have those hands. My game is oriented towards sticking to hands that play well in multi-way pots and encouraging the existence of those pots.

Big pots and sick runouts don't excite me, so PLO is just another form of poker to me. Hand ranges tend to be obvious, so it's hard to surprise me. It can be slow, which makes it tedious when I'm not in a hand and I am way too disciplined to ever play a hand because I'm bored or can't handle folding 30 hands in a row preflop.
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Old 03-08-2019, 06:04 PM   #31
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Just make it a limit game rather than pot limit.
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Old 03-08-2019, 06:12 PM   #32
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:40 PM   #33
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Just make it a limit game rather than pot limit.
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Old 03-10-2019, 04:27 PM   #34
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Re: is PLO growing or declining in popularity

Let me ask this; why is it pot limit and not no limit?
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Old 03-10-2019, 04:43 PM   #35
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where i live they are running PLO and NLO tourneys pretty regularly, which is a beautiful thing

PLO just has a much larger skill barrier than NL. That said, bridge used to be super popular (still is in some places) and as far as i know bridge is very complex
PLO variance is already huge and that makes NLO basically unplayable. We can then call it NLF, no limit flipping.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:09 AM   #36
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Re: is PLO growing or declining in popularity

No limit omaha would actually have less variance because you could just jam the turn with the nuts preventing your opponents from making profitable calls with 14+ out draws, or you could just jam aces pre. It wouldn't be as exciting.
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Old 03-11-2019, 12:26 PM   #37
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How about PLO with no limit river bets?
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:26 PM   #38
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Just make it a limit game rather than pot limit.
I'd play limit omaha if it was available and it was more EV. I play PLO because it's where I make the most money, not because it is the most fun. I'm not an action junkie. I make money by exploiting action junkies.

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Let me ask this; why is it pot limit and not no limit?
Supposedly, when big-bet omaha was introduced to Vegas, it was played no-limit and was so bad that they switched to pot-limit in about a week because people would just go all-in on the flop.

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How about PLO with no limit river bets?
One adjustment would probably be to slow-play the nuts more often to induce a river over-bet bluff.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:35 PM   #39
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Re: is PLO growing or declining in popularity

FWIW I have played NLO before and it seemed like a decent game.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:26 AM   #40
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yeah NLO is half decent, and it adds some interesting strategic questions into the mix

the equities in omaha are so dynamic and a pot limit structure makes the task of protecting and denying equity more nuanced and fun

I think omaha and a pot limit structure have a great synergy. I dont feel like pot limit is just an arbitrary part of the game, there is a reason this variant came out on top
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Old 03-28-2019, 05:07 PM   #41
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I think the game would be more popular if the spewtards folded more. Nothing more annoying the a spewtards calling a 4 bet preflop with kqj5 and flopping 557 to bear your ask hand. Spewtards ruin everything
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:47 PM   #42
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I think the game would be more popular if the spewtards folded more. Nothing more annoying the a spewtards calling a 4 bet preflop with kqj5 and flopping 557 to bear your ask hand. Spewtards ruin everything
Those are the players who make the game worth it. You should probably 4bet less.
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Old 03-29-2019, 02:31 AM   #43
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Re: is PLO growing or declining in popularity

I think that it is hard to gauge when you factor in both live and online.

Live I think it is surely growing in the USA and I hear the same for other parts of the world.

High stakes online might be in a decline but if you are willing to play on multiple sites and take risks w/ game security/bankroll you can still find a bunch of action.

Micro/Small stakes I think have to be growing (not in a huge way) but I have no data to back that up.
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Old 03-29-2019, 09:11 AM   #44
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Those are the players who make the game worth it. You should probably 4bet less.
They may make it worth it, but I am saying this the reason the game is not more popular. Average players don't like the big swings. Spewtards cause lots of variance
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Old 04-04-2019, 02:21 PM   #45
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Re: is PLO growing or declining in popularity

PLO is becoming the only popular game to play on the pokerrr2.0 app right now. I'm in around 12 clubs and all of them but 1 play PLO or ROE (Combo of PLO and NLHE).

Often times there is a NL and a PLO table up in these clubs, and the PLO is full with a waitlist and the NHLE is empty.

All 1/2 Stakes but most have $10-$20K on the table so plays higher than that

So I think in that sense it is becoming way more popular becuase theres more gamble in it

NLHE is more of a nittier game at 1/2 limits so PLO 1/2 on the apps is more popular
becuas eof more gamble
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:03 PM   #46
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PLO is also a better game for cheating, so people who share hole cards should prefer PLO over NL.
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Old 04-21-2019, 11:05 PM   #47
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Re: is PLO growing or declining in popularity

Live PLO is where all of the whales play at my casino. They would always go broke playing NL and now they go broke less and when they win, they win big. My casino is starting to spread short deck next month but I doubt it will make any waves. Only about 20 people in the cardroom even know what short deck is.
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Old 04-22-2019, 12:41 AM   #48
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any game that cranks up the action and variance is definitely fun, but shortdeck almost feels like a dumbed down game designed for lure fish into losing stacks

imo the beauty of NL is that our equity is so concentrated and we rarely connect, so range VS range dynamics become everything and the game is elevated beyond the board into this abstract place. shortdeck takes a lot of that away
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