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Old 09-04-2015, 03:35 AM   #1
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PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

Villain ($875) - I don't use a HUD. I've been playing with villain for a few hours, and he seems competent but a bit over-aggressive. He isn't doing anything too exploitable other than the fact that he's raising pre pretty wide and pretty often. He's also double barreling and tripple barreling a bit more often than he should. Note, however, that he hasn't been 3betting pre, and I'm yet to see how he plays in 3bet pots.

Hero (Covers) - Hasn't 3bet V yet, hasn't gotten out of line with V yet, and really hasn't played anything too notable with V yet. So V might be viewing hero as someone who plays straight-forward and fairly face-up.

6 Handed

UTG folds
V is UTG +1 and raises to $21.
Hero has AQT7 and 3bets to $72.
Folds to V who calls.

Flop ($153): Q87

V donks $114.75.
Hero calls.

Turn ($382.50): K

V bets $382.50
Hero ???

I feel like there are a few different ways we could have played this hand. Curious to hear how others would have played this? In addition to what we should do ott as played? As always, all feedback is appreciated
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:05 AM   #2
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

I would just flat pf.

As played, gross spot. Would he play a set this way? Just an overpair? Given your description, I'd tend to call the turn and most rivers, barring a really bad card.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:56 PM   #3
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

We block qq and can discount 88 i would think, doubt hand plays like this.

I suppose kq in in most ranges.

I have no problem folding here most of the time, and i have no problem NEVER folding here vs this villian. As described he could just be wrapped.

I probably lose the 130bb total here and call/call (And if im call/call i might as well and exploit my abc image and just repot the turn)

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Old 09-04-2015, 01:02 PM   #4
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

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I would just flat pf.

As played, gross spot. Would he play a set this way? Just an overpair? Given your description, I'd tend to call the turn and most rivers, barring a really bad card.
Do you think a river Q is really bad or good?

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Old 09-05-2015, 04:28 AM   #5
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

As played, isn't raising flop the better play if villains range is as wide as we assume it might be? If you do that, there is no turn that can come you would ever fold on, and you for sure realize whatever equity you have in the pot. I realize it's a pretty high variance play, but I hate playing guessing games on the turn in a 3bet pot with a marginal hand when I could have put the hand on auto pilot on the flop. Is this reasoning flawed?
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Old 09-05-2015, 06:57 PM   #6
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

Let's see a river? We block all his good sets, also hard to see why he would lead with QQ otf since we will cbet with all of our AA and KK a good % of the time.

I think his leading range is pretty weak, probably gutters with back doors which can't x/c that turned some more equity..
Definitely calling 4-6 non diamonds rivers, he won't have those straights enough.
Calling and folding on diamond, and sometimes A-9 rivers but leaning towards calls. Also calling on any board pairs without diamonds.

His range has a lot of AJTxx type hands and AT9dd etc that we can make pretty good decisions on rivers.
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Old 09-06-2015, 08:27 PM   #7
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

As played, I'm mucking here. We would be pot-committing ourselves in a situation that contains a huge amount of uncertainty about our current equity. Obviously, we can catch villain for quite a few chips here, as played. But I think we can do the same with less risk in another spot.

Although it seems like the K helped us by giving us some nut outs, we don't really have the stack to collect on them. And in addition, it may be close to likely the K helped him more than us, so we may actually be in worse shape OTT than OTF. But I doubt you should be dropping out if it had been K

I also don't think the flop justifies a raise. It seems to me we're turning our hand into a bluff.

I agree with flatting PF. We have a medium to strong hand with a great deal of equity, and we could catch villain for a great many chips, but I don't see raising at this point as justified. We can get into tricky spots just as well as excellent ones.

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Do you think a river Q is really bad or good?
I think we're pot committed and can't fold, so neither, I suppose.

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Old 09-08-2015, 12:16 PM   #8
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

I think this is actually a critical omaha skill: "knowing" when showing down 2 pair is a good idea.
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:07 PM   #9
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

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As played, I'm mucking here. We would be pot-committing ourselves in a situation that contains a huge amount of uncertainty about our current equity. Obviously, we can catch villain for quite a few chips here, as played. But I think we can do the same with less risk in another spot.
Caveat: this is absent any bells going off that OP may have left out. If we think his range is tilted towards AKJT, KJT9, then obv. continue.
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:15 PM   #10
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

That turn is really bad for us and it is probably -EV to continue with this hand being so deep. I would say this is close if we aren't as deep.


You would have to look up the equity you have vs a range of KQxx / sets / and wraps. I would think you probably don't have enough to continue - and keeping a deep stack is probably better than jamming here and playing guessing games especially if you think you have an edge on this player.

While the 3bet makes this hand interesting - I think it's extremely strong when a villain takes this donk / donk line and I would assume you are behind.
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:59 PM   #11
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

I really like potting the flop here
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Old 09-08-2015, 03:31 PM   #12
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

As played I'd fold but I dont mind pot/get in on flop. Youre not always beat even when he gets it in, he might not be folding aq9t type hands anyway
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Old 09-08-2015, 09:32 PM   #13
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

Raise flop. Too much of a hand to fold on the flop with a somewhat disguised two pair but most all turns suck and are difficult to realize our equity so I think it's best to just raise get it in.
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:31 PM   #14
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

Thx guys. Lots of good thoughts for all options.

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Old 09-17-2015, 10:02 PM   #15
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

I sort of feel like a winner with my response lol. Pretty much would have had a perfect River decision except I would have called on a 6 and lost on that one.
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:05 AM   #16
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Re: PLO 600: Facing Pressure from Deep Aggro Villain.

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Do you think a river Q is really bad or good?

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still don´t know how a river Q would be bad
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