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10-24-2018 , 01:54 PM
Live 1/3 700 BI, Not too much history with this villain. Seems to be trying to exploit the game in a similar style to me (tight is right, bet strong hands / strong draws). Talked with him a little and seems like he has a clue about what's happening around him, so I assume he's winning here. Stacks are ~1400

I have K972 w/ K hi spades

Limp, villain overlimps, 2 more limps, I complete SB (meh, I don't like this in retrospect), bb checks

(18) Kx9d2d

Checks to villain who bets 15. Two calls. I make it 90. Only villain calls

(228) 5

I bet 215, he tank calls

(658) 8

So flopped FD that I don't block bricks off. Check call gives him a chance to bluff, while Betting gives him a chance to call off some sort of weird worse two pair that he backed into, or a had like AdK5d2 or something.

If we bet and get raised, call it off?
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10-24-2018 , 06:58 PM
Yeah, you way overplayed your hand in a limped in pot. This is Omaha not Texas.
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10-24-2018 , 07:19 PM
I'm shipping as played, since we shouldn't be afraid of the straight, and can pressure chops, and 22xx to fold. 99xx and kkxx might even fold to this line sometimes, not that I am saying they should.
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10-24-2018 , 09:42 PM
Definitely check call give him a chance to bluff
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10-24-2018 , 09:54 PM
Betting here is like, at best bluffing him off a chop. You should not get called by worse hands. Are you blasting off a flushdraw here ever? I don't think you are tbh. He probably has it himself either way lol

On the other hand your hand is so face up if you do check, and he does have the flushdraw, that he shouldn't ever be bluffing really. I guess it comes down to sizing shenanigans. Or in other words: if he pots you should hate life actually since he shouldn't ever bluff pot here. On the other hand people are ******ed and yolo bluff pot here when they realize they can't win the hand, and you don't block annnnyyyy of the draws (QJT, spades) so I guess it'd be a snap call anyhow

And don't raise flop
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10-25-2018 , 10:26 AM
What does his tanking mean to you? Flush/straight draws with Kx or could he include 22x in there? Can he include 99x as well as the draws in your line? We have one of each to block the sets ... does he ever consider folding if the 5 gives him a decent wrap here even though there's a flush draw out there?

I think it's a tough spot if he shoves, but I might put out 300 as a value bluff to control what we lose if he does somehow shows up with 22x. I'm just starting to read into these threads, but in our 1-2-5 game lots of Hero's back off on the River to make it easier to collect value when the obvious draws miss.

Does he really consider shoving over our bet with a set when a straight completes on the River? We are giving him some credit here in our read. How have we handled River bets previously? GL
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10-25-2018 , 12:43 PM
If you are wondering about preflop, feels like an easy fold to me.
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10-25-2018 , 02:21 PM
yeah, value bet or check call if you think he is bluffing more then calling with worse, and i dont mind raise on flop since we are so merged and want to deny all equity, well played, but your question is really basic level stuff so makes me think you have some flaws with range definitions and villain range construction..

Last edited by bombonca; 10-25-2018 at 02:27 PM.
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10-25-2018 , 07:18 PM
Betting seems bad, I doubt he has a chop much. In fact I'd weight him pretty heavily toward bad draws (hence the tank) ... mainly AK or AQJ/AJT (but not AQJT) nut flush draws that missed. If you check and he bets 99 or 22 that tanked the turn unsure of what to do, gg ... certainly stop playing K92 vs. him.

Pre. seems like an easy fold. Flop I'm not sure, call and pray seems std. but raising has some upsides to deny equity and you block all the sets ... also easy to fold if the board turns bad.
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10-25-2018 , 08:01 PM
I like check calling to bluff catch, if he somehow has us beat we lose the minimum.
I think it's more likely he misses the flush draw and hits the river with some holdings of 88xxdd... Or we're still behind any of his holdings like 22xx.


Curious, what is your thinking for the flop raise? Would you play the nut flush draw like this?
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10-26-2018 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ROCKnROLL
I like check calling to bluff catch, if he somehow has us beat we lose the minimum.
I think it's more likely he misses the flush draw and hits the river with some holdings of 88xxdd... Or we're still behind any of his holdings like 22xx.


Curious, what is your thinking for the flop raise? Would you play the nut flush draw like this?
Thinking this is my weakest value raise (seems like the general consensus is that it's too aggressive), and charge weak peels from the two weaker players.

And sometimes, if I had something else going with it. Like an AdJT4d or maybe a top set blocker.

My thinking on the river is that this is a good spot to unpolarize ourselves and defend against hero calling. Could be overthinking the scenario; I just thought he had me beat rarely and having value bets like this makes it easier to bluff when I bricked off a draw.
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10-26-2018 , 01:30 PM
I fold pre to avoid this exact type of hand personally. Oop with a hand that never feels good without the stone cold nuts.

I probably check call the flop, I don't want to play a huge pot with this hand. Check call the turn too. If check check turn, on river I put in a small value/blocker bet or check if he is the type that doesn't like to be checked to twice.

As played what does he call a c/r with that didnt raise preflop? K with low diamonds. Bottom set. KQJTr or QJT9? And K9xx. I can't think of any other hands a decent player is going to call a c/r with. So I probably give him a chance to bluff the river.
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