Game is loose: usually 5-6 ways to the flop. A pre-flop raise usually means: a)I have the button or am in close proximity to it or b)I have four cards. A pre-flop 3 bet means: I have a DS rundown or a pair of aces with at least one suited Ace. 3 bets will usually narrow the field to 2-3 players. Can't remember the last time a hand didn't see a flop, regardless of the pf action. CO is the only player to be scared of at the table. Effective stack for Hero is $600. Most everyone has at least that much, but not more than $1000 for anyone.

Hero is in HJ with TcTh9h4c. Two limps to me, I limp along, CO limps, and button makes it 15. Blinds and all limpers come along. $105 in the pot. Flop comes 8h 7h 2s. Checked to hero.

What's our plan with this many limpers?

Easy check back.

I don't think any flop action is clear cut considering that a bet can often clear out bare flush draws higher than ours (anything less than an ace if they are decent players) as well as some overpairs higher than ours that have nothing else. A bet is forcing out a button AA unless he has a flush draw to go with it or some fluke hand like AA88.

I'm very tempted to toss out $75 here. But maybe betting sets up some awkward SPR situations for us later on in the hand?

Check back. We have 8 nutted outs so easily enough equity to call a bet, but we hate getting check raised. tens may be an out too depending on how multi-way we go. 7 ways so expect zero fold equity.

Just to give another perspective on this, while we have two awesome straight flush outs I'm not totally dismayed getting c/r'd off the other 6 outs. Even when you make the nuts with those 6 outs on the turn you still need to fade the river which will more often than not change the board to where you no longer have the nuts.

Then I think we fare very well against hands that just call, I'm not expecting everyone folds, but fully expect that some better made hands (overpair w/ nothing else) and draws (e.g bare queen high flush) will fold.

Either check or bet seems fine to me imo

I check this one back for reasons stated, and mainly because I would hate to get check/raised.

My plan is to check with the intention of sometimes calling a bet, sometimes check-raising, and sometimes folding, depending on the action.

Bet, $75 to full-pot

There is only 1 player left to act and as pre-flop agressor this is a texture villain should frequently checkback

Lots of interesting ways hand can play out but I think trying to knock some players out is best

There are actually two players left to act (CO and Button), but your point is taken that PFR (Button) should often check this back.

Moving ahead, Hero checks (for reasons stated by a couple of people: unsure as to ability to get better flush draws to fold with a flop bet, would hate to get c/r'd with 8 nut outs, etc...), CO Checks, Button C-Bets for $100. Folded back to Hero.

Button is a converted NLHE player with a propensity to C-Bet more than he should in PLO, especially if he's last to act and it's been checked to him. CO & I both know this, further CO knows that I know this.

What's your play here with only CO left to act behind?

Jam

Not sure, partially why I wanted to bet in the first place. We are not doing that well against certain hands.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

738,000 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 8 7 2

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
ah a *h *	63.35%	467,406	248
th 9h tc 4c	36.65%	270,346	248

As I mentioned earlier, I think people may be too concerned about getting C/R'd off of straight draw outs. Straight draw outs are worth less than other types of outs for two main reasons
1) Other players can share them
2) Board will most likely change on river where it is no longer the nuts

At some point, I may try and quantify that effect somehow and write an article about it. But counting all of your eight outs as full outs is thinking like a hold'em player. Anyone that plays against you has redraws.

At this point as played I guess with the dead money in the pot and your smallish stack size it can't be that big of an error to just jam it in now

If CO knows this and knows that you know this, will CO jam light if you just call? Or, is he waiting for this to happen so he can jam? I think this is a difficult spot.

I've been playing a much more variance-friendly game of PLO, and it seems to be paying off, but I don't know if it's the best way to play. I think I flat here to see what CO does -- I might call his jam if that's what happens, but I'd like to try to get a read from him. If he jams, I highly doubt he was folding to our jam.

Other option is to jam now, which is how I used to play, and I don't have a problem with it as long as you are ready to reload.

honestly just fold pre
if this is a tricky spot for you post flop you arent good enough to play this junk pre

CO can certainly jam lightly here if I just call if he thinks it will get me to lay down equity and he can play heads up with the button, whose range he should be in good shape against.

super helpful, as always.

So I decided to do what JavaNewt was suggesting -- I called to re-evaluate, hoping that CO would better define where we were. CO called(?) to close the action. Pot is $405 and we see the Kc on the turn, making the board 8h 7h 2s [Kc]. We're first to act on the turn, what do you do with ~$500 stack?

I am done with the hand unless there is some miracle and I get a free river and bink basically the nuts.

it was actually extremely helpful advice but feel free to ignore it and light money on fire

I'm guessing that the reason why this thread exists is that OP did not feel good about how he played the hand so you are only really helping out if you give input on how you would have played postflop and why.

But on the topic of your advice, I questioned some that you gave the other day:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...8&postcount=15

I would like an explanation, because if the turn pairs the board it sure looks like money was lit on fire for no reason.

But I'm 100% sincere in that if you educate me on why I am wrong I would be quite happy. I don't participate in these forums to try and swing a dick around in people's faces, I do it because I like to discuss poker and in the process improve my win rate.

We are mostly forced to xf this turn as played, fairly akward spot though which is why I think jamming the flop is superior as played

I'm going to suggest at least considering a line that most people wouldn't.

What if you check/call the flop and lead the turn on this card? Against regular opponents, I am known to do this with a flopped set. I could also have a hand like KKT9 or AK8x with the nut flush or KT98 with a flush draw. If CO looked unhappy with the turn card, I would consider making this play. Will the button fold hands like AAxx, 87xx, and KQQJ against this bet?

At this point in the hand, I didn't like my line choice with the Kc, and couldn't fashion a good story with why that card would help me. As said by another poster, I could have pulled the stop-n-go, as I've used that before with a flopped set, but in the heat of the moment I didn't pull the trigger on that move. I feel I misplayed this on the flop and should have used the opportunity given to me (having it folded back to me after button bets with only one player to act behind me) and c/r-pot here.

Thanks for all the helpful advice.

Epilogue: CO bets pot, button and I both fold.

I would bet 3/4 pot on flop to take initiative and help define ranges better. With your stack size I hate check call one or two streets. Once button bets, I think you have the greatest equity if you get it heads up ( which may not be great, but much better than three way). Therefore I would check/jam to get it hu vs button or get a fold. AP ch/call to hit strategy ends up leaking money more than making money


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Bet flop, your hand has a lot of equity but you need to narrow the field.

If it's checked around and you best case bink the nuts a bunch of hands could pick up a ton of backdoor equity against you (higher straight draws/flushdraws) and have an easy call vs your relatively small bet and then you are in a bunch of weird river spots.

Betting is also your best hope to ensure that a Ten is a clean out.

You also lose the ability to represent a set by checking, unless you checkraise, but this is not a board that you can be confident that the PFR will bet for you multiway (though you did say he cbets too much).

Finally, betting puts maximum pressure on CO who you said is the only guy to be scared of. Betting him out is a good thing, or if he plays back at you then jamming on him and taking away his positional advantage / skill set is also a good thing.

As played, repot on the flop, force CO to stack or fold (which a good player doesn't like) and expect to be in excellent shape against BTN too-wide cbets and/or just take it down because you represent a set which is great too. Any other line at that point is I believe just bleeding money.