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Old 01-27-2019, 12:05 PM   #1
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PAHWM: Newer to Ohama H/L - Need help on every street

Playing $1/2/10 (straddle rock) Big O - 6 handed (Pot limit - H/L)
3am Saturday night

I think this is a very standard spot but I don't play a ton of PLO/Big O and want to make sure my line of thinking is correct.

V ($2K) - complete maniac on my direct left (I felt OK playing out of position, but ideally would have taken a different seat. How douchy is seat changing of position in a pro-filled, reg infested Big O game?). Has potted pre- at least 20 hands in a row after donking off $3k in a single hand to a different guy. Clearly a competent player, I think he's a professional sports bettor and poker player. V thinks H is weak-tight but competent as he's seen me call light and value bet thin post river, correctly in both cases. He's given me 3/4s of my stack and is looking to get it back.

H ($2.1K) - Table including V should see me as competent ABC player. Running well tonight.

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V is in LP w/ the $10 straddle rock, 1 new player limpers in MP ($1.5K) folds to H, H has AdAhKs7d2c. Clearly this is a strong hand. With 100% certainty if I call the $10, V will pot it, and will remain aggro post flop. V will also call both a pot by H now, and a re-pot after V pots over H's limp. What is standard in this situation???

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Old 01-27-2019, 12:27 PM   #2
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doesn't matter that much but given reads just calling is ok
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:06 PM   #3
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KT - Does the meta aspect of me not raising pre against V heads up factor in? It defines my range against a thinking V. Also, in saying it’s indifferent, are you ever repotting pre?
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:33 PM   #4
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So I think pre flop isn't too exciting, I'll speed through it. If anyone has thoughts I'd love to hear them.

H makes it $50, LP maniac and EP V both call.

Flop ($150)
Ac10c6h

EP V checks, H? Obviously top set is great, I have a live low draw but no real draws or back doors. This is where I don't know the strategy at all. I assume I have a huge hand, I should be firing.
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:59 PM   #5
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If you are sure villain will pot it, you should limp re-raise. As played pretty standard to keep betting large.
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Old 01-27-2019, 11:19 PM   #6
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So I potted it myself, $150, Maniac V calls the $150, EP V folds.

Turn ($450) 3d

Here's where I'm really not sure what to do. I assume I'm not ahead on high (still have the nuts) but behind on low, even though I have a live low. Do you guys normally fire again here or go into pot control as I'm probably looking at half the pot and certainly there's risk that I'm killed by the straight or flush on the river???
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Old 01-28-2019, 03:22 AM   #7
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EP V checks, H? Obviously top set is great, I have a live low draw but no real draws or back doors. This is where I don't know the strategy at all. I assume I have a huge hand, I should be firing.
You don't have a huge hand on the flop. You're probably going to be an underdog to a competent player who wants to play a big pot.

Preflop, you have a hand which is good and playable against any action, but not one that I consider premium.

Basically, the only good cards for you on the turn pair the board, so you don't really want to play a big pot with this hand OOP. But even against the worse hands for you, you would still have 40% equity heads up.

I would probably bet this hand some of the time and turn it into a bluff-catcher some of the time. I also probably would not have raised pre-flop.
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Old 01-28-2019, 05:16 AM   #8
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V will also call both a pot by H now, and a re-pot after V pots over H's limp
Limp raise usually, limp call sometimes. Your hand has somewhat poor playability, making it worse than it looks. It has good equity, making it a good candidate for either a very high or very low spr.

All that said, vs a maniac this hand is pure gold.

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How douchy is seat changing of position in a pro-filled, reg infested Big O game?
You have the best seat.
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:49 AM   #9
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BDHarrison - I guess I feel good that my poker senses were working. I didn’t feel great about the low coming in and putting a low straight draw out there.

OmahaDonk - Aspreciate the description of hand strength relative to SPR. Helps me quite a bit. Being less experienced in Omaha this was the point in the hand where I felt like I was losing control and more importantly losing understanding of what to do.

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I checked, maniac pots (expected) for $450. H has nut hi (set of A’s), a live low (27) on A36 board. Pot will be $1,350 with call, both V and H have $1.4k behind.

I’m completely lost so here are thoughts. I assume no one is every folding. Do you guys flat the turn or am I strong enough to repot all-in and live with it. I won’t like 1/2 the deck on the river for high and i’m Assuming he has a made, nuttish low the way he’s not backing down with me holding a set of A’s. If I only flat the $450 is there any river i’m Folding to? And if not, shouldn’t I just jam now?
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:51 AM   #10
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Limp raise usually, limp call sometimes. Your hand has somewhat poor playability, making it worse than it looks. It has good equity, making it a good candidate for either a very high or very low spr.

All that said, vs a maniac this hand is pure gold.



You have the best seat.
On the seat, in NLHE where you can exploit a larger preflop advantage I agree maniac on your left is great. Is that still true in Omaha where preflop edges are thinner?
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Old 01-28-2019, 08:03 PM   #11
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On the seat, in NLHE where you can exploit a larger preflop advantage I agree maniac on your left is great. Is that still true in Omaha where preflop edges are thinner?
I like it more postflop - everyone will check to the maniac, he will bet, and you get to see how the field responds before making a decision.
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Old 01-28-2019, 10:15 PM   #12
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On the seat, in NLHE where you can exploit a larger preflop advantage I agree maniac on your left is great. Is that still true in Omaha where preflop edges are thinner?
Yes it still true. Postflop in omaha is a lot easier than nl.
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Old 01-29-2019, 06:33 PM   #13
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When the turn hits I assume everyone is calling, no one is folding and most people aren’t repotting?
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When the turn hits I assume everyone is calling, no one is folding and most people aren’t repotting?
I'm an Omaha High player so take this advice with a grain of salt but there is no way I'm calling and getting bluffed out/folding on the river.

If you decide to play the hand(which I would) I'm putting the money in now. You said he's a maniac so you may be surprised when you get to the river that he has a set or something weird and you scoop. It would be a shame if you just called, a scare card hits, he goes all in and you folded. Don't be that guy
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Old 01-29-2019, 10:29 PM   #15
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drawing to the nut low as well
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Old 01-30-2019, 08:21 AM   #16
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Pot pre, pot flop, pot turn. Pot pairing river.
Fold KQJ97 and club if faced with bet.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:00 PM   #17
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u want aggressive players on ur right not your left
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:03 PM   #18
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I initially thought this was 4 card not 5 card, and would often try to check-jam the flop instead of leading. As played turn is a pretty terrible card, even vs a maniac. And while commiting is probably ok i want to check how hard we are normally getting freerolled. In spots like this there may be different flavors of maniacs that can alter heros core strategy.
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