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Old 11-28-2018, 12:37 PM   #176
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

I spent a day and I have found 34 current active bots on ACR at every stake from plo25-1k

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Would take a level of incompetence that would boggle the mind to not notice probably close to 25% of your daily volume coming from players playing the exact same postflop statistics down to the most obscure ones

What is fascinating is that the higher up in stakes the bot is placed to operate, the wider it VPIPs, but the postflop stats remain exactly the same. I just looked at flop statistics and they are astonishingly the same across every account even at a low sample. For flop the most prominent statistic in PT4 is "FloatFlop" which the bots average around %80 (this differs drastically from population tendencies for regulars). The flop aggression factor is ~3, flop bet % ~50 ect.

***The postflop statistics are the same of the bots that were outted in 2016, it is the same bot****

How can I post an image? I signed up so that I could expose this bull****.

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Old 11-28-2018, 12:59 PM   #177
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1. go to www.imgur.com

2. click "new post" in the green box up near the top left

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Old 11-28-2018, 01:04 PM   #178
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How can I post an image? I signed up so that I could expose this bull****.
upload your pics to https://imgur.com/
get the direct image link (right click the pic > "copy link address")

and post the link between [img] postlinkhere [/img] with no spaces

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Old 11-28-2018, 01:10 PM   #179
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Also forget to add NoDose. I'm still finding more bots in my database everyday. I think JounnySinns is a bot too but I don't have enough sample to tell conclusively.
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Old 11-28-2018, 01:41 PM   #180
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

BR_CHAMP and Extravert may not be bots after reviewing some of the data (they don't have the trademark 80% float flop for example). I am going to make a spreadsheet and go over all the data a few more times to make sure every stat is lined up with the bot averages. Stay tuned.

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Old 11-28-2018, 01:50 PM   #181
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

https://imgur.com/gallery/fpX1HQr

If I made a couple of mistakes here and there bear with me, I screenshotted my database on 48 hrs no sleep. I appreciate 2p2 helping analyze this data. I will also get all of the preflop/turn/river stats uploaded asap
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:02 PM   #182
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I spent a day and I have found 34 current active bots on ACR at every stake from plo25-1k

Here is a list of bot accounts:

Dikobrazzers, Slackbreaker, Oddi, MrLarson, Pushkan, Hophey68,
Rightdecision, Evilskill, Blimey,Quakeeeeeee, Insector, Kigdin, homyakubiytsa
GladiaTHOR1, DancingQQ, Stoicwise, KyleBroflovski, Ludoman,
wrestlertruth, Impekabu, aceeater, baikal77, Alkea101, Tojagar,
Gefest, Bardos11, BR_CHAMP, Extravert, Ropedancer

Would take a level of incompetence that would boggle the mind to not notice probably close to 25% of your daily volume coming from players playing the exact same postflop statistics down to the most obscure ones

What is fascinating is that the higher up in stakes the bot is placed to operate, the wider it VPIPs, but the postflop stats remain exactly the same. I just looked at flop statistics and they are astonishingly the same across every account even at a low sample. For flop the most prominent statistic in PT4 is "FloatFlop" which the bots average around %80 (this differs drastically from population tendencies for regulars). The flop aggression factor is ~3, flop bet % ~50 ect.

***The postflop statistics are the same of the bots that were outted in 2016, it is the same bot****

How can I post an image? I signed up so that I could expose this bull****.
i have played considerable volume against perhaps 2/3 of these players before leaving WPN. they generally played the same tables, usually 1-3 per. i wish i had some old data for you guys but i dont. im not ready to call anyone out specifically because im sure a few of these accounts are regs.

all i want to say is that many of the names on this list were the reason i left WPN, they clearly belong to some kind of bot/multi-acc. ring. who knows how much money these accounts have stolen from the ecosystem. i urge any/all of you to play a couple thousand hands at these tables and see for yourselves, its insane

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Old 11-28-2018, 10:09 PM   #183
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

2-3 sharing hole cards in PLO is HUGE advantage, like prob very hard to lose!
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:50 PM   #184
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Finished a preliminary spreadsheet.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=...64186958448076


If someone would be willing to help me analyze this database to see how often the suspected accounts play vs each other like in the spreadsheet posted by the OP that would be great!

Also there are clear differences in PREFLOP stats depending on the stake the bot is operating at or if it is NL or PL Omaha Bot (eg, Alkea101, Evergreenwin, GladioTHOR1 all are stationed at NLO and the stats are basically identical, hophey/larson/rightdecision/pushkan all stationed at pl25-50 and identical ect).

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Old 11-29-2018, 12:39 AM   #185
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I'm also going to try filtering out shorthanded data and see how that impacts the results. There was a huge number of hu hands between a few of the bots.
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Old 11-29-2018, 01:24 AM   #186
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Here is filtered out shorthanded and filtered for plo25/50 bot accounts. I realize this is low sample but there is striking statistical similarities.



Here is PLO100 Bots (didnt filter for 6/9max so may account for some differences)


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Old 11-29-2018, 02:05 AM   #187
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

PLO25-50 (POT LIMIT ONLY) players dealt into hand = 6



NL OMAHA 100-200


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Old 11-29-2018, 02:31 AM   #188
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PLO 100-200 (POT LIMIT ONLY, # of players dealt into hand= 6)

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Old 11-29-2018, 07:41 AM   #189
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couple thoughts

-preflop and flop frequencies @ 100/200 look to be pretty standard for these stakes (i would imagine) and you'd need a much bigger sample and a lot more convergence in stats to really say with confidence that they're programmed/playing the same.

-the fact that all these accounts are looking fairly solid pre and on flop but only defending 25-33% vs river bets is concerning/suspicious to me, but at the same time i'd be surprised if the population at these lower stakes is really value betting thin enough on rivs to make this a bad/wrong/non-standard adjustment.

can you compare the "fold vs river bet" stat on these 100/200 accts with other presumably human regs in your database who you have bigger samples on?
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:38 AM   #190
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What is fascinating is that the higher up in stakes the bot is placed to operate, the wider it VPIPs, but the postflop stats remain exactly the same. I just looked at flop statistics and they are astonishingly the same across every account even at a low sample.
GTO dictates tighter PF play with higher rake level. So this makes perfect sense for a bot, while its quite a big harder for humans to make that adjustment.
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:17 AM   #191
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just out of curiosity I looked up 2 of the accounts on statname.net and their stats are really really similar and the 51 wwsf is really suspicious. Most winning players have a lower wwsf.

statname is free to sign up and you can get bigger samples on the accounts
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:08 AM   #192
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couple thoughts

-preflop and flop frequencies @ 100/200 look to be pretty standard for these stakes (i would imagine) and you'd need a much bigger sample and a lot more convergence in stats to really say with confidence that they're programmed/playing the same.

can you compare the "fold vs river bet" stat on these 100/200 accts with other presumably human regs in your database who you have bigger samples on?

Flop frequencies are absolutely not standard (vs regular population stats, which I can calculate if you'd like) especially flop float (bet vs missed cbet in pos in HEM). Regular frequencies for this stat range in database range from 35-42% with a couple outliers that do not even come close to this. Also the bots do not adjust when PFR checks 100% of strong hands to them and never cbets. I'm reviewing the pokerstars bot detection methods from the other thread and going to compare stats vs those. As crazy as it might sound. I might just hop back into the games and build a bigger sample (avoiding games with 2+ bot in game). As soon as I realized that they wouldn't adjust to a 100% check on flop strategy I was making good profit versus them as long as there was only one at the table. Other human regulars don't seem to fare as well as all the bots are either breaking even at worst or winning at a decent clip + making insane amounts of rakeback and beast prizes. Take a look at this screenshot and tell me this isn't ridiculous.



Fold vs river bet for regulars at this stake are all over the place (50-80%) so I wouldn't say this stat really isn't indicative of anything but a similarity between the bots and their stats for fold river fall within the regular range.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:15 AM   #193
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idk how i missed that but you're absolutely right, those flop cbet stats are super high and suspicious
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:20 AM   #194
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Fold vs river bet for regulars at this stake are all over the place (50-80%) so I wouldn't say this stat really isn't indicative of anything but a similarity between the bots and their stats for fold river fall within the regular range.
you sure this isnt a sample size issue in your database? i am not grinding in these games but i would be super surprised if the winning regs all had such different approaches to preflop and postflop range construction that it would result in fold vs riv aggression stats actually being all over the place, or with anything even remotely approaching 80%
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Old 11-29-2018, 12:20 PM   #195
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Wow statname allows to filter by games and the stats are basically identical for bots stationed at the same games.

Here are the NL Omaha bots stationed at $0.5/$1-$1/$2

- Alkea101

- Evergreenwin

- Tojagar

- GladiaTHOR1

- Quakeeeeeee
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Old 11-29-2018, 12:31 PM   #196
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you sure this isnt a sample size issue in your database? i am not grinding in these games but i would be super surprised if the winning regs all had such different approaches to preflop and postflop range construction that it would result in fold vs riv aggression stats actually being all over the place, or with anything even remotely approaching 80%
There aren't many winning regulars at this stake in my sample albeit it was only around 40k hands and I was in all of the games. There are a couple regulars that have OVER 80%. Maybe your games are different but the games on ACR are very soft with some of the dumbest regs on the planet.

Here is just a few examples

AlwaysBeeNice - 80.83% F River

PL0WNED - 75.86% F River

There are basically no players that I encountered at 1/2 or lower than I felt had any talent or were even winning players.
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i hope all of you put together this data and bring it to ACR, you would be doing the poker world a huge favor by stopping this. again, these accounts were the reason i left ACR
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i hope all of you put together this data and bring it to ACR, you would be doing the poker world a huge favor by stopping this. again, these accounts were the reason i left ACR
I won't stop until every last one is banned
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Old 11-29-2018, 02:42 PM   #199
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

I have battled this bot on other networks a lot. Even though it always has 3+ accounts active at a given time, I have never seen it sit with two of its accounts in the same game.

The new accounts are sometimes hard to identify right away until you play them HU as they have a very distinct style.
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I have battled this bot on other networks a lot. Even though it always has 3+ accounts active at a given time, I have never seen it sit with two of its accounts in the same game.

The new accounts are sometimes hard to identify right away until you play them HU as they have a very distinct style.
They put 3-4 at a 6max table on WPN recently!
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