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Old 11-04-2016, 04:06 PM   #51
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

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I'm 99% sure they're going to tell us that it's all legit and/or they can't prove anything.
its still a lot better than saying nothing and replying to no emails.
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Old 11-04-2016, 05:56 PM   #52
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

what countries are the accounts registered to?
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Old 11-05-2016, 04:30 AM   #53
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Hi all ,
I am PLOwned .
So , im sorry to disappoint you all , but I am no bot
But ya'll did get my account suspended , and that is not fun .
I have been a long time lurker , and try to avoid the spotlights , but these are serious accusations , and I felt like I cant hide in the shadows anymore.
I am a long time grinder , and when pokerstars closed shop here in Israel ,
It was time to find other places to play.
This is why my account is new .
Have no clue about other accounts on the thread , and am happy to answer any questions you may have .
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Old 11-05-2016, 05:12 AM   #54
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Hi all ,
I am PLOwned .
So , im sorry to disappoint you all , but I am no bot
But ya'll did get my account suspended , and that is not fun .
I have been a long time lurker , and try to avoid the spotlights , but these are serious accusations , and I felt like I cant hide in the shadows anymore.
I am a long time grinder , and when pokerstars closed shop here in Israel ,
It was time to find other places to play.
This is why my account is new .
Have no clue about other accounts on the thread , and am happy to answer any questions you may have .
It's a brand new 2+2 account. You have less than 0 accountability
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Old 11-05-2016, 05:32 AM   #55
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

true .
Black winter day will vouch when he wakes up .
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Old 11-05-2016, 10:28 AM   #56
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Guys, i know who is playing on the PLOwned account and he is one of my oldest and most reliable friends. He is definitely not a bot. He is a private person and doesnt want to be revealed, but if needed, i can provide his stars acc and hendon mob to a moderator, who can confirm, in condition that it will remain private.

I can say with a 100% certainty, that he is NOT a bot.

P.S. - I have read further posts in this thread, he has no relation to the accounts he is accused of colluding with. Again, i vouch for him completely and put my reputation on it. This is one of the cleanest, most reliable people in poker that i had to deal with.

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Old 11-05-2016, 01:06 PM   #57
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And just fyi, this is a family man with 2 kids, who had a huge and excruciatingly long stars downswing lately almost on the verge on bankruptcy. He did run hot on wpn recently and built up to 30k until his account got frozen.

He really counted on that money and you can imagine how he feels right now, having no access to it and potentially facing confiscation over unsupported accusations. We all know how bad pokersites can be with those issues, when the actual bots and cheaters occasionally play freely and honest players get their money taken, sometimes without explanations.

I ask all of you who wrote the emails, to send one more email, asking to reinstate plowned's playing rights.

Again, he is willing to provide all the necessary proof of his identity through me and i repeat that i can put my reputation on the line that he is completely innocent. We started together in 2005 and have been close since. There is literally nobody in the poker world i trust more than him (there are some i trust equally).

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Old 11-05-2016, 04:25 PM   #58
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

I'm not using stats to state my opinion but early in the thread I did voice that I thought PLOwned was unlikely to be a bot out of all of the accused for a few observations made by my eye (chats when spoken to, plays PLO tournaments, plays headsup to start games, is a weaker reg). I've had a lot of practicing spotting PLO bots by simply playing with them FWIW. To my knowledge none of the other accused accounts do the things I just mentioned.
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Old 11-05-2016, 04:27 PM   #59
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It is good to hear WPN is taking action here and if your account is only frozen and you are innocent PLOwned I hope you are reinstated while the others aren't.
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Old 11-05-2016, 08:12 PM   #60
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is a weaker reg

RIP
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Old 11-05-2016, 08:23 PM   #61
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Thanks bokerbananas ,
I think you meant , " I hope you are reinstated ASAP "
no one is talking to me (WPN) btw ,
but regardless , its refreshing to be called " a weaker reg" and not " the weakest reg"
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Old 11-05-2016, 11:41 PM   #62
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ITT: a losing Israeli stars player who dabbles in programming whines after his bot that was printing money on WPN gets shut down
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Old 11-06-2016, 12:28 PM   #63
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bot witchhunt is real
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Old 11-06-2016, 05:02 PM   #64
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bot witchhunt is real
I'll rather see a non-bot account get frozen from time to time than the opposite. ..
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Old 11-06-2016, 09:02 PM   #65
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I'll rather see a non-bot account get frozen from time to time than the opposite. ..
Until you are the one get frozen and that's your livelihood.
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Old 11-06-2016, 09:12 PM   #66
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I have updated the data sheet with hands filtered for 3-6 handed only and with some more hands that I could collect. Check it here:



You know that in a sample as small as 25k hands, the hands that influence the "Fold vs cbet river" stat are around 20. So variance in such stats can be enormous.

For no reason do I want normal players to be banned or suspended. However, I do want to play in a fair environment.

And finally, comments like "he is not a bot" or "he is a bot cause he bets strange amounts" or "I chatted with him" do not contribute to the thread in any way. Please, at least read the first post in the initial thread to know what we deal with here:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-them-1537778/
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Old 11-06-2016, 10:38 PM   #67
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qwerqwer ,
You say :For no reason do I want normal players to be banned or suspended"
yet my name is still there .
I guess you don't realize that what you are saying and actually doing , are two completely different things.
You have a reputable member saying I have nothing to do with anything ,
but you don't care .
"Let the numbers speak for themselves ..."
Fyi
YOUR actions have caused the following :
My account is now closed , and in the hands of someone I don't know and don't trust .
No one from WPN has contacted me .
So at the moment , there is a chance that my funds may be gone ,
( I'm sure you've seen on TV how innocent people serve time .)
Not to mention , I cant play , ergo , cant work .

So maybe you shouldn't try and be a "fair" dude that doesn't want anyone innocent to get hurt .
Just send them that data , but be quiet .
It makes you look like a fool.
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:42 AM   #68
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The drama is real. Calling me a fool won't improve things. I don't see why you worry so much if you are so innocent.

Maybe you check my initial post to find out why I posted account names + stats.
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Old 11-07-2016, 05:01 AM   #69
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Your "Avg" Column should not have the Player's stats that are being compared to it contained inside that population. If there is a population of 6 players, there should be 6 different deviation from Avg columns so that no ones stats could skew the data of the entire population. For the deviation from Avg for the player I_hold_it (column B) it should be SUM(C2:G2)/5-B2, for PLOwned (column G) it should be SUM(B2:F2)/5-G2. Not to mention the population avg you are comparing to should probably only be I_hold, throne, lexum, and acidman as those 4 are almost certain to be bots, the last 2 are extremely questionable and should be left outside of the "BotAvg" population. If you compare PLOwned to the first 4 you will see that he has:

Much lower W$WSF
Nearly DOUBLE Steal SB stat
Significantly higher Fold vs Flop cbet
Significantly lower c/r turn
Significantly lower bet on both the Flop and Turn vs missed cbet (this would contribute to the lower W$WSF when compared to the bots)
Higher overall SQ %

Looking at these deviations you can tell he is thinking about the game in a much different manner and employing a strategy that significantly differs from the one that the first 4 players on the list are using, Trashman is also likely not a bot or at least not part of the same network as the first 4. Just look at The bet turn vs skipped cbet stat:



You should be doing this for all of the stats, add two more averages that you compare to, "BotAvg" for the first 4 and "HumanAvg" for the last 2, the data will be much more clear after you do this.

Btw the conditional formatting I used was:
If between -5 and 5 = pink
if !between -5 and 5 = yellow
You should probably switch to this when you redo the stats comparison so that number that deviate by > 10 aren't left in the default formatting.

I'll actually PM your my Skype so that you can send me the spreadsheet and I will do all the data comparisons.

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Old 11-07-2016, 06:15 AM   #70
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The drama is real. Calling me a fool won't improve things. I don't see why you worry so much if you are so innocent.

Maybe you check my initial post to find out why I posted account names + stats.
I worry because 9 years or so ago I had 75k on microgaming
I worry because 5 years ago or so I had 50k on FTP
I worry because 5 years ago or so a friend of mine had over 100k on absolute .

I worry because 8 years after I received 11k from microgaming
I worry because 4 years ago or so I got back my FTP money because Isai bought his freedom .
I worry because 5 years ago that friend of mine suddenly became completely broke , and still to this day struggles .

I worry because its in my nature .
cant escape my jewish genes

im guessing you never had to deal with money just vanishing at an instant.

oh and btw , the fact that a person is innocent is not a guarantee to be acquitted .

Owned by PLO ,
PLOwned .
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Old 11-07-2016, 09:58 AM   #71
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Is Schwein still around? Schwein did some interesting math in the Stars bot thread with regards to how close accounts were to each other, etc. I'm on my phone so a bit hard to link to other thread, but if someone else could post his post then people here could get up to speed on another way to compare these suspected account. And notice I said suspected accounts (although the first 4 are looking a hell of a lot like confirmed bots).

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Old 11-07-2016, 10:01 AM   #72
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Old 11-07-2016, 10:04 AM   #73
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Read first post of this thread

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-them-1537778/
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:54 PM   #74
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BotAvg is the avg of the first 4 players, HumanAvg is the avg of Trashman and PLOwned. Red are stats that are +/- 3 points to the number they are being compared to i.e. at least a somewhat close match or "hits", blue are stats that are at least 5 points lower, green are stats that are at least 5 points higher i.e. "misses" in either direction.

The first 4 accounts are all playing very similarly given the amount of red "hits" and trashman/PLOwned are playing quite a bit differently from both those 4 accounts and each other.
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Old 11-07-2016, 06:23 PM   #75
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I'm sure more charts will be posted in this thread before it is all said and done. If you guys could format the spread sheets so that the numbers all have 2 decimal places (even when a zero), it would make the charts easier to read.
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