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Old 11-01-2016, 05:49 PM   #26
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Dont think trashman is a bot.

he plays different than the other guys and has general human tendencies.
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Old 11-01-2016, 06:53 PM   #27
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

I have a lot of hands with all these guys. If they are all the same ring then I suck bc I think a name of the list is very good and one is bad.

FWIW, trashman does something with his c betting that none of the other accounts do.

When I get home I can provide my hands if it helps

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Old 11-01-2016, 07:03 PM   #28
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

PLOwned is one of the new Israel accounts that have been popping up, if I'm not mistaken

I_hold_it plays a lot more then the rest of the accounts listed.
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Old 11-01-2016, 07:34 PM   #29
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Hope this isn't true. I've played a lot if hands vs these guys with poor results.
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Old 11-02-2016, 11:35 AM   #30
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1HOqIeKNcY


This is sickening if true
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:08 PM   #31
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

That youtube video is just dumb.
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:13 PM   #32
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

I'm trying to figure out why after the slides does it just show a bunch of flush draws hitting on a 25$ guaranteed....
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:49 PM   #33
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Funniest video I've seen in a while but no need to derail
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Old 11-03-2016, 05:54 AM   #34
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

I've played against all of these players at various stakes from msplo all the way up to 5/10 and 10/20, some of them just in 6max tables but PLowned tends to sit hu tables a lot as well.

There are definitely some strange pots where I feel squeezed out and sometimes when I sit vs a reg waiting for action at a 6max table some other player will autojoin almost instantly (in some cases players who have quit me HU before after playing me for a while).

Since starting playing on ACR and BCP I'm running around 18k below aiev over about 40k hands. nothing out of the ordinary given the stakes i play but something just kinda feels off. idk
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Old 11-03-2016, 09:35 AM   #35
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

I have notes on a couple of these guys that they take the same amount of time calling river bets (allins) regardless of hand strength. I thought they may be being dicks and slow rolling but something def seems off.
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Old 11-03-2016, 12:58 PM   #36
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I have a lot of hands with all these guys. If they are all the same ring then I suck bc I think a name of the list is very good and one is bad.

FWIW, trashman does something with his c betting that none of the other accounts do.

When I get home I can provide my hands if it helps
trashman 1/3 pot cbets from time to time
i hold it tilts pretty hard
throne and lexum no solid reads
plo and acid are new to me
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:02 PM   #37
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trashman 1/3 pot cbets from time to time
i hold it tilts pretty hard
throne and lexum no solid reads
plo and acid are new to me
also i dont think trash is 37vpip 6 handed. is that filtered to 5-6 handed?
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Old 11-03-2016, 03:10 PM   #38
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

indeed i forgot to filter the stats for 3-6 handed, his vpip goes down a bit. filtering it will only make their stats even closer.

i don't think you understand how the bots operate. you can go over the last thread to understand more about them. im not here to convince anyone in anything, i just provided the facts, everybody can judge for himself.

the main point is that all of them are still playing and there is no response or statement from any of the websites in WPN. fwiw, i still haven't got a reply to my emails.

WPN is the only network, on which they are still playing. they were banned from pokerstars, 888, ipoker and I think party.
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Old 11-03-2016, 03:10 PM   #39
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

it's pretty wild this is going on all the way up to 10/20. I guess I was ignorant to think that the problem was limited to the micro stakes.

I made an alias of like 10-12 players that I'd marked as questionable while playing in HEM. I know the stats from this sample don't quite align with the above numbers but I've also have noticed a group of players that play a much higher vpip with a very different style that seem to always be playing with the 37/23 type players that are included in the alias as well.



have been super busy with random work stuff this week. should have time to look over stuff a little more in depth this evening or tomorrow morning.
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Old 11-03-2016, 04:15 PM   #40
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

If you're playing against people that share hole cards shouldn't your EV be +$ and your net won be -$? That sample just shows you're long-term losing
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Old 11-03-2016, 04:27 PM   #41
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If you're playing against people that share hole cards shouldn't your EV be +$ and your net won be -$? That sample just shows you're long-term losing
those results are not mine. I made an alias in HEM of several players in question. those results are from that alias.
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Old 11-03-2016, 04:48 PM   #42
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Are those bots?
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:05 PM   #43
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Are those bots?
impossible for somebody as simple as myself to say. like I mentioned earlier, that alias is composed of players with very similar stats as the players the OP had noted along with some others that seemed suspect (but have a much different playing style)
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:50 PM   #44
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Played with throne82 and PLOwned at the same table today at 3/6
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Old 11-03-2016, 10:28 PM   #45
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

this is all I was able to get done this evening. hopefully have time to work on this some more tomorrow at some point.

I blacked out the names because I wasn't sure that it was right to out everybody so quickly.

one thing I did notice is that a lot of the usernames are formatted in a way that seems similar. multiple words with first letter of each word capitalized. (i.e. OneTwo)

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Old 11-03-2016, 11:18 PM   #46
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

If i had a bot this would be great threads for me to pick the flaws my bot/system has and improve it...
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:25 PM   #47
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If i had a bot this would be great threads for me to pick the flaws my bot/system has and improve it...
any better suggestions to have a public discussion on the topic? seems pretty obvious that WPN's support isn't too concerned with the issue.
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Old 11-04-2016, 01:53 AM   #48
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

I would create a skype chat group, collect all the evidence and then send to WPN.
If WPN does nothing you start a thread outing the bots bot never mentioning how you spot them. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 11-04-2016, 02:59 AM   #49
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this is all I was able to get done this evening. hopefully have time to work on this some more tomorrow at some point.

I blacked out the names because I wasn't sure that it was right to out everybody so quickly.

one thing I did notice is that a lot of the usernames are formatted in a way that seems similar. multiple words with first letter of each word capitalized. (i.e. OneTwo)

70% of these players can be thrown out immediately based on their W$WSF alone... you clearly have no idea what you are talking about so please stop posting ITT.
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Old 11-04-2016, 01:27 PM   #50
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Funniest video I've seen in a while but no need to derail

Not a derail...

I know one of the managers David Miller who worked at ACR got fired recently..

So it's possible ACR is in on this... which makes sense since they refuse to protect the integrity of their games.

I'm 99% sure they're going to tell us that it's all legit and/or they can't prove anything.

The players are at the mercy of these sites especially when you consider not much legal action can be taken in the US.

These sites are basically able to freeroll our deposits to bots knowing they will never get caught. Which means the only real recourse we have as players is to stop playing until they address this issue.
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