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Old 04-01-2019, 07:08 PM   #301
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

He posts here asking for swaps etc so Iíd say no and mod should edit that out
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:39 PM   #302
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Just saw this. I play with these guys pretty much every day. Iím a bad/losing mid stakes player that uses online to practice for live games. Havenít read the whole thread yet, but anyone know if RePaTs is a bot?

- Cuatro
I'm not a bot

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Old 04-01-2019, 10:25 PM   #303
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $194.00 (VPIP: 33.22, PFR: 23.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.03, Hands: 41,524)
Hero (SB): $80.26
BB: $100.00 (VPIP: 25.46, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 10.06, Hands: 163,457)
UTG: $100.00 (VPIP: 36.83, PFR: 21.54, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 120,354)
CO: $52.20 (VPIP: 28.05, PFR: 17.05, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 17,920)

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has 2 Q A Q

fold, fold, BTN raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $8.50, fold, BTN raises to $25.50, Hero raises to $76.50, BTN raises to $194.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.76 and is all-in

Flop: ($161.52, 2 players) 4 6 7

Turn: ($161.52, 2 players) J

River: ($161.52, 2 players) T

BTN shows 5 7 3 9 (Straight, Seven High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 92%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows 2 Q A Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 59%, Flop 8%, Turn 0%)
BTN wins $158.52

$0.24 was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.


There was a 2nd bot at the table during this hand as well.

I remember some of the accounts I suspected would do similar plays like this AIPF and I couldn't understand why the **** they would ever do that outside of malfunction or some type of card sharing.

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Just saw this. I play with these guys pretty much every day. Iím a bad/losing mid stakes player that uses online to practice for live games. Havenít read the whole thread yet, but anyone know if RePaTs is a bot?

- Cuatro

I think repats is one of the real people left battling it out.
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:55 AM   #304
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

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I remember some of the accounts I suspected would do similar plays like this AIPF and I couldn't understand why the **** they would ever do that outside of malfunction or some type of card sharing.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: A
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
5s 7d 3s 9d45.76% 273,4142,309
AA54.24% 324,2772,309

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: A A
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
5s 7d 3s 9d48.65% 290,6342,575
AA51.35% 306,7912,575

I guess even with some pretty basic models based on dead cards, you can already gain an enormous edge.

Botting is pretty profitable .
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Old 04-02-2019, 03:53 AM   #305
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ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: A
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
5s 7d 3s 9d45.76% 273,4142,309
AA54.24% 324,2772,309

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: A A
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
5s 7d 3s 9d48.65% 290,6342,575
AA51.35% 306,7912,575

I guess even with some pretty basic models based on dead cards, you can already gain an enormous edge.

Botting is pretty profitable .

Wow I misread this post. But yeah that is crazy how significant one dead ace is. Also your post should have concluded with "cheating is profitable".
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:01 AM   #306
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Just saw this. I play with these guys pretty much every day. Iím a bad/losing mid stakes player that uses online to practice for live games. Havenít read the whole thread yet, but anyone know if RePaTs is a bot?

- Cuatro
He is absolutely not a bot. Please refer to this spreadsheet for bot stats.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...h4E/edit#gid=0

This is not an exhaustive list of active bots. Already many of these bots have disappeared and been replaced by new bots. I have identified over 75 retired and currently active bots to date.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:03 AM   #307
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I remember some of the accounts I suspected would do similar plays like this AIPF and I couldn't understand why the **** they would ever do that outside of malfunction or some type of card sharing.
I'd love to know what hands the bots are folding in position to 3bets. Because they will never fold even the worst disconnected kings vs a short stack lol.
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:13 AM   #308
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Sry, maybe I am missing something but what does the single 9753ds hand from the Button prove?
I 4 bet this hands (maybe better connected) from the Btn a lot against players who 3bet too much from the blinds.

When they fold its amazing, when not my equity is not that bad, and I get a lot of more action when I 4 bet my AA. Some regs sometimes stack off with bad KK in this spot vs me.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:42 AM   #309
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Sry, maybe I am missing something but what does the single 9753ds hand from the Button prove?
I 4 bet this hands (maybe better connected) from the Btn a lot against players who 3bet too much from the blinds.

When they fold its amazing, when not my equity is not that bad, and I get a lot of more action when I 4 bet my AA. Some regs sometimes stack off with bad KK in this spot vs me.
Professionals (at least the best ones) do not 4bet this hand in this spot because it makes no sense theoretically.

If you check monker solver 4betting ranges in this spot these type of hands are never included. (The worst hand that monker 4bets at 100bb BTN vs SB is T965ds)

https://imgur.com/a/1LL2Gl1

9735ds is always a GTO call here

This is not an isolated hand. I simply posted it to give an example. They have a bizzare ultra wide 4betting range from every position.

To a highly skilled professional player, these hands demonstrate a strategy that is incongruent with winning regular or game theory optimal play.

The strategy is however congruent with the strategy being implemented by the 30+ other accounts with identical postflop statistics at all stakes from plo10-plo200, all of which also differ drastically from how known winning regulars are playing.

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Old 04-04-2019, 04:06 AM   #310
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

A huge number of new suspected bots arrived today. I will hold off on ID'ing them until the stats are crystal clear
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Old 04-04-2019, 12:16 PM   #311
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Pretty hilarious. Wonder how many actual human players are left playing PLO on the site. Can’t be many at all, especially 1/2 - 5/10. The 25/50 runs a decent bit so I guess those players are mostly human.
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Old 04-05-2019, 12:26 AM   #312
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Pretty hilarious. Wonder how many actual human players are left playing PLO on the site. Canít be many at all, especially 1/2 - 5/10. The 25/50 runs a decent bit so I guess those players are mostly human.
There might be bots that exist that have different strategy than the ones in this thread. The bots with the stats in this thread never play over 10/20.
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Old 04-05-2019, 01:43 PM   #313
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

does anyone have information on the integrity of ACR's PLO tournaments? Are the PLO tournaments just as compromised as cash? I know the NL tournaments are full of collusion but PLO MTT's generally dont get much attention

Does anyone know if there is major collusion going on in the PLO tournaments, or if they are safe?
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Old 04-05-2019, 02:25 PM   #314
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The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Is there more info on these mass colluders in mtts? Iíve never seen any actual info, and feel like the mtts are super soft here, at least at low buy ins.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:12 PM   #315
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i probably shouldnt speak on NL mtts. ive only played a handful of NL mtts on there, but Ive seen multiple posts about groups of accounts targeting MTT's on a recurring basis, maybe someone more qualified can weigh in for me. Ive spoken w/ 2 acr MTT regs who are up money

they have some nice PLO tournaments going on, my concern is that they could be compromised like cash
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Old 04-06-2019, 12:15 AM   #316
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does anyone have information on the integrity of ACR's PLO tournaments? Are the PLO tournaments just as compromised as cash? I know the NL tournaments are full of collusion but PLO MTT's generally dont get much attention

Does anyone know if there is major collusion going on in the PLO tournaments, or if they are safe?
The player kreint colludes with his buddies, so yes.

That being sad, there is hardly any PLO tournaments to speak of on WPN, and they are still very soft even if there is cheating going on.
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Old 04-06-2019, 01:36 AM   #317
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

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Old 04-12-2019, 10:21 PM   #318
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WPN Banned accounts

Things about to change?
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Old 04-14-2019, 05:42 AM   #319
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Re: The old pokerstars PLO botring, this time on WPN

Where would I report Ipoker BOT accounts to? Does it makes any sense at all even? Im like 95% sure that I found 3 Bots... anyone an idea what email I should send to?
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:59 PM   #320
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WPN Banned accounts

Things about to change?
I'll believe it when I see it.

The way I see it, WPN had no choice but to ban this account after what transpired and the level of ensuing outcry. Whether they actually take proactive action in the future remains to be seen.

Every single low/midstakes PLO cash table is crawling with bots right now, not a single accoiunt has been banned despite overwhelming evidence.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:00 AM   #321
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