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Old 02-19-2019, 07:48 AM   #251
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:21 AM   #252
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:19 PM   #253
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Just want to add a few things :

The bot accounts are all the same bot , not just because of identical stats , but they all share the same software glitch ( which i don't know if its a good idea to mention here , in case the bot operator is reading ) .

i have looked for and found that glitch on the following accounts :

PortgasAceAce
Ropedancer
TeslaM77
BurningManKK
wolf_DDDDOG
temerarious5
Kigdin

about a week ago , the bot operator started sitting two and sometimes three accounts per table (not all tables but some ) , pretty much 100% to assume they share cards .

Also to add , imo the bot is easily exploited HU .

HandOfGod666 has done a great job with the numbers . i really hope that WPN will ban this bot and its dozens of accounts spread around 5/10 and below .


btw , my account was locked and investigated for about a week and then reopened ,
and not banned like handofgod666 wrote .
I just started playing mid stakes PLO at ACR when I noticed some odd behavior by several accounts. Hence I came to 2P2 to see if anyone else thought the same. I was surprised to see PLOwned on the list to start this thread. I didnít think he was one of the suspicious ones. Iím glad u were exonerated. However, every account that I found suspicious is on that list above! And Iíve only been playing for 4 or 5 days!

I didnít read the whole thread so forgive me for my laziness and ignorance but are we sharing how to exploit these bots?
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:05 AM   #254
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:25 AM   #255
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Is it really safe to assume that the bots are now almost 100% sharing hole cards now that they've been sitting at the same tables? That would take the scumminess to an entirely different level. There's a world of difference between breaking TOS by using automated software and outright cheating by colluding. Besides the moral dilemma, seems like colluding would be way riskier than botting.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:32 AM   #256
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As an aside, has the ways the bots play changed PLO strategy in any substantial way over the last few years? Like, have people yet figured out why artificial intelligence could play such a specifically unorthodox and hyper aggro style and win and adapted it to their own games?
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:58 PM   #257
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As an aside, has the ways the bots play changed PLO strategy in any substantial way over the last few years? Like, have people yet figured out why artificial intelligence could play such a specifically unorthodox and hyper aggro style and win and adapted it to their own games?
If I had 8-16 cards out of the deck at my disposal, I'm sure I could play a hyper aggro style too.
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:59 AM   #258
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I've played 5MM+ hands at 100nl-1knl on WPN, and the bots are rampant at NLHE. They share similar tendencies with the PLO bots, such as betting ~80% when checked to multiway and a very high FCbet multiway. However, the biggest tell they have is an absurdly high cold call% from all positions. I'm talking 20% cold call in the HJ, which is insane. You see them do **** like cold call Q9o and K3s in the CO and you think they must be a fish, then find out they are only a slight loser or winning. There are at least 20 of them.
The PLO bots also cold call trash hands lol. I think they cold call a certain linear range. Their BB defends are also selected linearly.
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Old 02-24-2019, 03:40 PM   #259
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If I had 8-16 cards out of the deck at my disposal, I'm sure I could play a hyper aggro style too.


So is it the consensus that they are likely gaining much of their edge through colluding?
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Old 02-24-2019, 06:05 PM   #260
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So is it the consensus that they are likely gaining much of their edge through colluding?
Overall, no.
In certain cases, yes.
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Old 02-25-2019, 06:24 AM   #261
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familier is a new high stakes bot lol
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Old 02-27-2019, 07:31 PM   #262
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Old 02-28-2019, 08:52 PM   #263
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thoughts on whether these guys are playing 2/5+ on ignition?
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:12 PM   #264
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yes have been for a long time
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Old 03-01-2019, 05:48 AM   #265
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What's bots bet vs missed cbet % like? Also what's bots cbet flop and turn %?
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:47 AM   #266
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What's bots bet vs missed cbet % like? Also what's bots cbet flop and turn %?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Jj9dj4DSPc8h4E

Float flop (bet vs missed cbet on the flop) is a very important stat. Flop and turn cbet are not that important. What is important is that the bots have a higher flop cbet multiway than hu (over 70%).
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Old 03-03-2019, 12:11 AM   #267
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Old 03-05-2019, 05:57 PM   #268
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Hi boys,

Here we go again, new account on 2p2 posting about bots...this time with a data comparison and proofs though.

So, I spotted a few suspicious accounts on WPN, consulted myself with Grethe(thanks a lot!), who ran some database analysis and here are the results:



For the guys, who have no idea what this data mean - these are ~30 stats, on which the banned bots on stars/888/ipoker have very similar numbers and which are compared to the suspected accounts on WPN.

I wanted to keep this between me, WPN support (and Grethe) in order for the network not to get more bad reputation, as it has enough, but also not to let the bot owner know that we are after him and cashout most of the money. This is the email I wrote to 4 of the biggest sites in the WPN network - blackchippoker, americascardroom, pokerhost and truepoker:



Check points 1 and 2 in the email, they are interesting.

So I waited for a few days, then wrote them another email, asking for a reply. A week passed since my first email with no answer from any of the 4 sites(wtf?!); I also contacted their chat support to ask if they actually reply to emails from unknowns and they confirmed they do.

I would like to ask the PLO regs on WPN to start contacting WPN support, pointing out the facts, so hopefully we get those banned.
Still 2 years later.... And nobodies gotten banned. Other than the first and only round of Chicago Joey exposed banning's as far I know...
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Old 03-06-2019, 04:57 AM   #269
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Still 2 years later.... And nobodies gotten banned. Other than the first and only round of Chicago Joey exposed banning's as far I know...
There was at least one account "I_hold_it" that was banned in 2016, nobody was compensated. In 2018, joey made videos that showed some screenshots and data from another thread on here called "PLO Bots in Microstakes" and 3 accounts were banned from plo10 (with refunds given out).

Since the above 2 incidents, no accounts have been banned and a massive ring runs like clockwork with 2-4 bots on 75% of tables from 2/4 down.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Jj9dj4DSPc8h4E

Float flop (bet vs missed cbet on the flop) is a very important stat. Flop and turn cbet are not that important. What is important is that the bots have a higher flop cbet multiway than hu (over 70%).
Thanks for doing God's work.

I wonder how well RIO will manage to keep the bots out.

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Old 03-09-2019, 12:38 AM   #271
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Thanks for doing God's work.

I wonder how well RIO will manage to keep the bots out.
IMO anon sites are the most egregious for a pro to play in, as bot detection by players becomes almost impossible (at least until you have played a few hundred hands with a bot).
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:29 AM   #273
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IMO anon sites are the most egregious for a pro to play in, as bot detection by players becomes almost impossible (at least until you have played a few hundred hands with a bot).
That's one of the reasons I don't wanna play on RIO, at the same time wonder why Galfond would choose that path.
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Old 03-18-2019, 10:25 PM   #274
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That's one of the reasons I don't wanna play on RIO, at the same time wonder why Galfond would choose that path.
I wonder the same thing. Just take one look at the disaster of Bovada lol.

Exploitation and counter-exploitation is what makes online poker exciting for me. I wouldn't want to play on a site that doesn't allow me to play that style of poker.
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:36 PM   #275
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One of the bots (Ca11meBaby) is now getting a top tier ($1000) Beast prize. Makes me sick.
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