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Non-nut everything draw OOP Non-nut everything draw OOP

11-21-2017 , 10:10 PM
Stacks $600 effective, 2/5 PLO. I have never played with these villains before, so no reads.

Hero in BB w/ JT98

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, folds around to me, and I raise to $20. Both V's call.

Flop ($60) K3T
I have a non-nut gutter, a non-nut flush draw, and middle pair. I elect to check here, as I don't really want to get raised, and I don't want to build this pot too much out of position against these unknowns.

UTG+1 bets $45. I call, UTG folds.

Turn ($150) K3T9
Now I have two pair, my weak flush draw, and an OESD, though the QJ just made the nuts. My hand is a pile of mediocrity. For the same reasons as the flop (weak everything draw not wanting to get raised)...I check.
UTG+1 bets $120.
I call.

5 Possible rivers, and my proposed actions:
  1. Non-pairing : X/call
  2. T or 9: X/call
  3. Q or 7: X/fold
  4. K or 3: X/fold
  5. Blank: X/fold

How do you like this line? Should I have just folded turn?
What do you think of actions on these possible rivers?

Thanks, and happy Thanksgiving
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11-21-2017 , 11:35 PM
Curious as to why you would x/c non-pairing club but x/f a blank?
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11-22-2017 , 11:55 AM
I'd check the option pf. Perfect c/r turn spot
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11-22-2017 , 07:15 PM
I really don`t like calling turn with this hand.I think I could lead orc/call t or 9 and

c/calling flush is ok.
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11-24-2017 , 02:32 PM
I'd strongly consider checking pre. I'd probably either b/f or c/f flop at a full table. I'm leading the flop if it is a five-handed game. You say you don't want to get raised if you bet the flop, but I'd argue that you really don't want to get a call either.

I don't really like calling the turn unless you have bluff outs (or if it is a short-handed game). It's hard to read what your bluff outs are OOP.
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11-24-2017 , 07:23 PM
not an expert so grain of salt but I check fold flop against 2 opponents and prob even 1.
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11-25-2017 , 07:10 PM
I think this hand works better as a bluff rather than a call down. You block some nut combos, your draws are non-nut but do give you some equity, and your made hand has some roi issues even vs the bottom of a villain's potential betting range.

Definitely think preflop is a flat given the way postflop played out but with improved post flop skills I think an open is reasonable 3 handed.

Edit: if you're going to bluff though you'll have to decide if checking ever makes sense with your nuts if you're going to bluff.

Last edited by just_grindin; 11-25-2017 at 07:18 PM.
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11-27-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
I'd strongly consider checking pre. I'd probably either b/f or c/f flop at a full table. I'm leading the flop if it is a five-handed game. You say you don't want to get raised if you bet the flop, but I'd argue that you really don't want to get a call either.

I don't really like calling the turn unless you have bluff outs (or if it is a short-handed game). It's hard to read what your bluff outs are OOP.
why do you say check pre?
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11-27-2017 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by halperin
why do you say check pre?
OOP, no chance of it being a 5- or 6-way raised pot. It's basically an optional raise where I am indifferent to raising or checking and I usually take the more passive line when I feel that way, but will raise occasionally. Other people will usually take the more aggressive path when faced with a similar dilemma. I'm not an action junkie, so I don't crave bigger pots.
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11-28-2017 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by VerdantDevil
Stacks $600 effective, 2/5 PLO. I have never played with these villains before, so no reads.

Hero in BB w/ JT98

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, folds around to me, and I raise to $20. Both V's call.

Flop ($60) K3T
I have a non-nut gutter, a non-nut flush draw, and middle pair. I elect to check here, as I don't really want to get raised, and I don't want to build this pot too much out of position against these unknowns.

UTG+1 bets $45. I call, UTG folds.

Turn ($150) K3T9
Now I have two pair, my weak flush draw, and an OESD, though the QJ just made the nuts. My hand is a pile of mediocrity. For the same reasons as the flop (weak everything draw not wanting to get raised)...I check.
UTG+1 bets $120.
I call.

5 Possible rivers, and my proposed actions:
  1. Non-pairing : X/call
  2. T or 9: X/call
  3. Q or 7: X/fold
  4. K or 3: X/fold
  5. Blank: X/fold

How do you like this line? Should I have just folded turn?
What do you think of actions on these possible rivers?

Thanks, and happy Thanksgiving
PRE:

I would just check Preflop with this hand, if I bet I would prefer to pot it. We rep a more tighter range when we pot PRE but this is depend much more on our table image.

FLOP:

There's a strong case for betting on the flop since we are block some of the the straight draw and flush draw. This make it very hard for two pair combo like K10 to call us. If we get a callers they more likely have K10 with A club or some sort of set combo with the nut club blockers.

Turn:

I think calling turn bet for $120 into pot of $150 is bad.
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12-08-2017 , 04:01 PM
raise turn in my book
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