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07-01-2014 , 04:16 AM

BagOfSuck

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Villain is a 40ish yo white guy. He's definitely on the tighter side and not a pro. I've seen him regularly during the series but haven't played much. Bought in for 5k and starts hand with ~3800 I cover.

I open from mp w/ A

for $200 he calls hj

Flop ($475) K

Hero bets $350 he calls.

Turn ($1175) J

Hero bets $800 and villain shoves for $3100 hero?

Fwiw I hate my turn sizing since there's no bad rivers and villain can bluff. I think turn is closer to a check. As played?

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07-01-2014 , 04:19 AM

BagOfSuck

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Sorry turn did not bring double fd

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07-01-2014 , 05:13 AM

lissistinkt

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fold you only have nuts with redraw

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07-01-2014 , 05:35 AM

javale mc g

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Originally Posted by lissistinkt

fold you only have nuts with redraw

lol. there are def guys i would fold this against, not in this spot though. not too deep/strong enough read to fold OP, but not a fist pump like you make it sound.

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07-01-2014 , 08:28 AM

krmont22

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probably should fold vs described villain

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07-01-2014 , 08:34 AM

blakkman08

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Std rio stuff with two jacks of spades in the deck

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07-01-2014 , 12:29 PM

JoKon

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nvm

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07-01-2014 , 07:08 PM

lvanhoe

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Why would he shove anything that has us beat? He's ip with a psb left. I call.

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07-01-2014 , 07:50 PM

crashwhips

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Originally Posted by lvanhoe

Why would he shove anything that has us beat? He's ip with a psb left. I call.

Because he's an older guy playing live who might not have the greatest understanding of the game? Or because he has JK/55/5J which he decided to slowplay on a very wet flop, and knows his hand is under-repped and/or vulnerable to your trip jack hands, and that you will snap him off with any J and also maybe a AA or a K plus a draw.

But yeah, imo definitely a call at this stack depth and without a better read that you're beat given villain and action, tho not a fist pump

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07-01-2014 , 10:05 PM

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krmont22

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Originally Posted by lvanhoe

Why would he shove anything that has us beat? He's ip with a psb left. I call.

bc older men at live games are scared with KJ to get sucked out on. and if he had a worse jack hed be scared he was beat and just call.

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07-02-2014 , 01:20 AM

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Alpha Fish

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Originally Posted by krmont22

bc older men at live games are scared with KJ to get sucked out on. and if he had a worse jack hed be scared he was beat and just call.

+1

this is 99% KJ/J5 and 1% AQJT, he wouldn't even raise 55 here

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07-02-2014 , 01:24 AM

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BagOfSuck

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Originally Posted by krmont22

bc older men at live games are scared with KJ to get sucked out on. and if he had a worse jack hed be scared he was beat and just call.

I pretty much thought the same and folded.

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07-02-2014 , 10:45 AM

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donkey_king

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ck turn

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07-03-2014 , 02:11 AM

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fanerio

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seems like a horrible mistake to bet the turn

like u say, basically zero bad rivers if we're in front now

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07-03-2014 , 12:08 PM

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yrmom

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Originally Posted by donkey_king

ck turn

bingo

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07-06-2014 , 04:00 PM

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cero_z

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Originally Posted by krmont22

bc older men at live games are scared with KJ to get sucked out on. and if he had a worse jack hed be scared he was beat and just call.

This. You need to fold this vs. the player described: his jamming range is trips with a Q-kicker (and obviously some draw) and better.

Whereas if you checked the turn, he'd likely bet AA or AK and better made hands, and possibly QT9/QT with fd.

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07-06-2014 , 06:47 PM

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crashwhips

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Originally Posted by cero_z

I initially advised a call based on the fact our hand is very strong in absolute hand strength w/ a redraw against other JA hands and we are not very deep, but this seems like the correct analysis. I do not agree at all that we are beat 99% of the time like another poster said, but based on the action and description of villain, we are probably beat enough where we need to fold.

And yeah, like everyone has said, ck turn definitely a much better play than betting.

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07-09-2014 , 09:02 AM

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boobsicles

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Originally Posted by fanerio

seems like a horrible mistake to bet the turn

like u say, basically zero bad rivers if we're in front now

+1 idk any rivers we dislike?? Maybe a non diamond 9 and that's it

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07-09-2014 , 08:48 PM

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11t

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If we ch/call the turn what are plans OTR versus described villain?

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07-10-2014 , 03:00 AM

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phaze112

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Originally Posted by 11t

If we ch/call the turn what are plans OTR versus described villain?

what worse hands is he calling on the turn? ak for 3/4 pot? no...

check turn, call, bet fold most rivers 1/2 pot.

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07-10-2014 , 09:52 AM

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11t

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Originally Posted by phaze112

what worse hands is he calling on the turn? ak for 3/4 pot? no...

check turn, call, bet fold most rivers 1/2 pot.

Yeah I get why we are check calling ott, and I like bet/folding most rivers but I didn't like the idea of check calling two streets

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