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Old 03-11-2019, 12:26 PM   #1
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Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

Game is playing very deep and lots of big pots.

H($4,000) is seen as fairly tight typically. In the game for $5,000 and have recently built my stack up to $4k after getting as low as $2K, so may be seen as a bit looser than normal as I've been playing a lot of pots to try and get unstuck. 5/5/10 with one limper and I make it $50 from two off button with QJ1010. Note you can open for 5x the blind at this place.

Villain on Button has a stack of $10K+ after coolering another player in a big pot where she got it all in on a Q73 flop with 2 diamonds and had AA with 2 diamonds and turned an A (he had QQ). She makes it $150. She is pretty tight, aggressive. Usually has the goods when she raises and haven't seen her turn over any trash. Is running good today. Very talkative when winning but bad disposition when she loses.

Everyone else folds and I call. Flop is A106 rainbow. I check and she pots it($320). I call (anyone raise or bet out rather than check?). Turn is a 6. I check, she checks.(Should I be leading here?)

River is a K. Should I bet or check? If she bets should I fold, call or raise?

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Old 03-11-2019, 03:43 PM   #2
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

I think my main questions are what sorts of hands she's three betting you with -- if she's mostly going to have aces and kings, then I don't know that I really want much more money going in the middle here. If she can have a wide variety of double suited or wrappish holdings, then maybe she can have T986, QJ98, or A6xx here and you can get in one PSB and be good. I don't think she can call with an AKxx style holding here since KQJx or QJ98 seem like okay check/calls for you on the flop.

So that's what determines bet or check for me -- if she can have a worse full or a straight, then sure, say "pot" or $700 (whatever feels best based on dynamics). If she can't, and her raise means AA/KK/QQ, then you're crushed on this particular river card and check/fold (if she makes it less than 1/2 pot you could consider calling since she could have QQJx but since you hold a QJ yourself and can't imagine a tight person 3! a lot of QQxx that don't contain a lot of the cards you're blocking).

Regardless, pretty sure I don't raise if I check and pretty sure I fold if I bet and get raised in this spot -- I just can't imagine starting the river with $1K in the middle and $3.5K behind and ending up all-in with the action to this point.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:02 PM   #3
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

Tough spot. B/f river $600 seems good to me I f you can get a crying call from broadway or a hero call from top two or top three


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Old 03-11-2019, 09:36 PM   #4
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

I prefer check call to larger value bet here, and may go for a blocker sizing. Like 250.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:00 PM   #5
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

Pretty easy check here with blockers to Broadway. You don’t beat a lot that is going to bet this river for value.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:04 PM   #6
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

I'm not going to rule out check/fold as a reasonable line. It's the obvious line against someone who would never bluff this river and would check behind with a hand like AKQ6. I know some tight players who would even check behind with KKxx against me.

She seems unlikely to have a six in her range, so I wouldn't rule out the idea of a check-raise bluff representing quads. I am hugely unlikely to pull the trigger on that, even though I have the sort of table image to pull it off, including that observant players know I would have AAxx in my range in a hand that plays this way, but I think a full analysis of how to play this hand has to include at least a token consideration of that possibility.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:24 AM   #7
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

Betting seems bad, check/calling or check/folding seem pretty close with it being opponent dependent. Void of any other info than in the op, I lean towards check/calling
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:54 AM   #8
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

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so I wouldn't rule out the idea of a check-raise bluff representing quads.
well u should because that would be the most retarded play imaginable
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:24 AM   #9
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

turn c/c is fine. river c/c i think. would hate to b/f and b/c is insane. we're losing some value but i'd say that's a "bird in the hand better than two in the bush" situation.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:05 AM   #10
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

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Game is playing very deep and lots of big pots.

H($4,000) is seen as fairly tight typically. In the game for $5,000 and have recently built my stack up to $4k after getting as low as $2K, so may be seen as a bit looser than normal as I've been playing a lot of pots to try and get unstuck. 5/5/10 with one limper and I make it $50 from two off button with QJ1010. Note you can open for 5x the blind at this place.

Villain on Button has a stack of $10K+ after coolering another player in a big pot where she got it all in on a Q73 flop with 2 diamonds and had AA with 2 diamonds and turned an A (he had QQ). She makes it $150. She is pretty tight, aggressive. Usually has the goods when she raises and haven't seen her turn over any trash. Is running good today. Very talkative when winning but bad disposition when she loses.

Everyone else folds and I call. Flop is A106 rainbow. I check and she pots it($320). I call (anyone raise or bet out rather than check?). Turn is a 6. I check, she checks.(Should I be leading here?)

River is a K. Should I bet or check? If she bets should I fold, call or raise?

River, I thought the K was a bad card for me so I checked. She bet
$800.


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Old 03-12-2019, 09:48 AM   #11
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

Well, I think to decide to c/f the river is depending on the opponent. There are players I would never call here since they always have aces or kings, and then there are some players that I would always call since they have Q6 and are certified, clinically insane.

The standard line, against anonymous I think should be c/c
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:49 PM   #12
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well u should because that would be the most retarded play imaginable
My image is tight enough that I have had people fold and show top boat when quads is the only hand that beats them or the nut flush when there is only one possible straight flush that beats them.

I have turned a full house into a bluff before.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:12 PM   #13
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

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My image is tight enough that I have had people fold and show top boat when quads is the only hand that beats them or the nut flush when there is only one possible straight flush that beats them.

I have turned a full house into a bluff before.
Nice try, still a horrible idea
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:36 PM   #14
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Re: Middle Set in deep stacked 5/5/10 PLO game

Unless you are Korg and are literally a rock, there is no way I would ever fold top full to possible quads.

If I couldn't afford to lose a hand like that, I wouldn't be playing in the game because I must not be properly rolled for it.
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Old 03-13-2019, 11:19 PM   #15
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well u should because that would be the most retarded play imaginable
fricking hilarious!
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Old 03-13-2019, 11:33 PM   #16
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Unless you are Korg and are literally a rock, there is no way I would ever fold top full to possible quads.
Well, I probably wouldn't do it against you, but I have played against people who I would fold top full against and there are players who would fold it against me.

The basic scenario is where they know that I know they have the top full house and I am still raising, probably with a dose of fake Hollywooding that convinces them I am strong.
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:49 AM   #17
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I hear you, and good luck to you! Can we at least agree that in general it's a bad idea to try to get people to fold decent full houses?
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Old 03-16-2019, 04:40 PM   #18
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I hear you, and good luck to you! Can we at least agree that in general it's a bad idea to try to get people to fold decent full houses?
There are some people who it is a bad idea to try to get to fold any full house. There are some people who it is a reasonable idea to get to fold a decent full house. Exploitative play means trying to discern between the two. Even if the latter is super-rare, I'm all about being willing to recognize they exist instead of lazily assuming they can be treated as occurring 0% of the time.
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