750

I got nothing. Played thousands of hands vs them.

same here

598
pretty disappointed

656 here, mainly zoom500

I've added up the refunds and Stars you still owe over $4MM. MASSIVE amounts missing in this huge scandal

edit: got $26.42

600 000 hands played across PLO100 & PLO200 zoom/normal tables in 2014/2015

$22 refund

$96

104$
joke

Got 221, and only been playing volume recently

Someone should make an NVG thread in the next couple days, detailing the amount of accounts and total taken out of the games compared to the seemingly trivial refund amounts.

Part of an email from Stars:

"In each case where it is determined compensation is required, the compensation is based on characteristics unique to that particular case. This takes into account the amount of harm caused and the amount of exposure per individual. This will include factors such as the stakes played, and the volume of hands or tournaments played by innocent players against those who have violated our Terms of Service. When it is determined that a requisite amount of damage has been caused, in addition to confiscated balances, PokerStars will contribute funds to create an equitable compensation pool to distribute to innocent players. "

I just checked my account vs 1 bot, fedor and I am already down $4,5k.
However I got a refund of $64,29, really Stars?

Thanks for this detail. I am meeting with the UKGC in a a couple of weeks and this scandal is on the agenda. I would appreciate any further details of how Stars have dealt with the compensation. Plus whether/when the other sites affected pay anything.

The scale of total loss (per site) vs the scale of compensation is the key metric for the scandal. Is the best estimate still $4m loss on Stars (that is total taken out by the botring)? It may be that the UKGC already has better visibility of the Stars compensation tha we have here but I'd like some estimates to compare to what Stars have (or have not yet) shared with the UKGC.

I am also interested in the other sites - for example in the Darren Woods case (also on the agenda) 888 seem to have paid some compensation but not i-poker. Are we at risk here of attacking the only ste that will be paying out anything?

Certainly. Stars does a much better job than the other sites most likely.

Stars will probably do 5% better than other sites. Other sites pay back 0% of the damage, stars 5%.

"We have been able to complete our investigation into these accounts and take the appropriate action as set forth in our Terms of Service. In instances where the evidence surpassed the level of proof required to take action against the accounts involved, their opponents have been compensated proportionally to the harm caused."

"Finally, we can confirm the integrity of our games are given the utmost importance. We have an extensive suite of both automatic detection tools and manual reports, along with a team of Game Integrity Specialists..."

How about NO, Pokerstars?

We have done all the work. We reported this several times. We have been cheated on for years. This is your responsibility. These small refunds is just a joke - not a solution.

this is probably from 500z.. I got 0 and have played 0 hands

A late reaction, but players like PA like to play poker clean without all that software, just a keyboard, mouse,screen and pc or laptop.
That is what he likes and says so, and imo he is right.
Because what in gods name has what most regulars and pro's are doing/using to do with the game of poker as such?.
People are playing with calculating software that gives them how they should play to win/get the winning edge in the long run.
I think 75%[of the regulars and pro's] at least couldn't win a 100$ a day without their software, they wouldn't know when to bet, 3-bet or fold without their software.
And they would be eaten alive by players like PA, that plays with his experience and gut and instincts and NO software,, without their precious loads of software.
And hey i can't blame them, if you are able too make money this way [because i do think it takes a lot of work and time and effort, and not everybody can do it] go for it.
But lets not fool each other by saying it is playing poker, because with the amount of software that is being used "too play poker" it is just a card game being used too win money, it could just as well be called higher-lower.
Because there is software now that even tells you the best way to play hand by hand!!, come on it might as well be bots playing each other, because the human is just a executer[85%] for what the software says.
So if you think that there are no comps/software/bots out there that are playing?, well i think you are wrong, because in fact humans are not needed to play poker on-line and make money because the regulars and pro's already play like they are computers/bots, because the software tells them too and they do it.
So i can understand that bots are difficult too catch, because humans themselves play 85-90% like bots/software/comps, and by the time they get caught, they made a whole lot of money already, and they just take another internet connection and do it all over again or take the money and run.
And hey i don't care i don't/can't play on-line, because it bores the life out of me, and i think it has not much to do with how i think and feel a game of poker should be like[something like the difference between looking at sex and doing it yourself] and i can't stand not seeing who is taking my money when i loose.
Because come on there is no substitute imo for live poker, the feeling you get if you get away with a bluff and seeing the reaction of your opponent when you show him, or simply laying down the stone cold nuts, and so much more, but that is me, and that is the game i love, not clicking and/or pushing some buttons, and staring at a screen.
But too deny there is no cheating going on with bots/software in on-line poker, is just being delusional imo.

I got ~250 but it looks like I'm up ~800 vs the known combined "bots".
I've been playing almost only Zoom from 100-500 mostly. I also seem to be up vs them on Z500 for 2,650.
No idea what it looks like taking rake into account which hm2 ignores, but this is what it looks like vs them:


Also seeing how Stars is treeting this I'm pretty sure they don't even take rake into account in their refunds so right now I'm a bit confused regarding mine.

Is there a more complete list than this?

Usually my db includes my lifetime handhistories but I'll request them again now just to make sure I'm not missing anything and will report back once I've imported it all.

Might be helpful if others also mention how much they're up/down to them and how much they've been refunded etc.


Only going to point out that you replied during the worst possible time and I won't distract the way more important situation that is going on atm by responding to it.

Only going to point out that you replied during the worst possible time and I won't distract the way more important situation that is going on atm by responding to it.[/QUOTE]

Hey np like i said, i just reacted really on what was said about PA and got carried away and started too vent my unbelief regarding that i personally can't understand why people like playing or do play poker on-line.

Outside the obvious and understandable reason too make money/or a living or are intelligent and lazy and make for them easy money lol.

And why not take away/ban all the help-software that is being used now a days?.

Wouldn't that take care of all the bots?, i am a on-line poker noob, so serious question.

What is more fair then people playing people without the help of any software?.

got 614 in refund

275$ refund - zoom500 and a bit zoom200 only

156.91 $ refund. Played like 60k hands this year at zoom500.

I know im late to the party, just found out about this yesterday. I played a bunch vs these guys, is there anything i could do to help or is this pretty much a closed case at this point?

I just got refunded 445 Euros from BwinParty. I assume it has something to do with the bots.