Massive bot ring on PokerStars/Party and how to spot them
06-07-2015
, 09:45 AM
I have created the following spreadsheet using data from TrollAccounts (thx!) post for the alleged botters and using my own HEM for the legit regs.
I have used the stats BB Agg, Agg, 3bet, sqz.
G column is Agg/BB Agg ratio
H column is 3bet/sqz ratio
J column is =G*H which produces a number that has no meaning on its own its just used by me to compare accounts.
The Russian PTR screenshots are prime evidence against 17 accounts.
I tried to show further links between those 17 accounts. I have noticed that all the alleged botters have 3bet very similar to squeze which is rare for legit regs that usually have a much tighter squeze then 3bet range. Same goes for BB Agg compared to overall Agg, most legit regs are slightly more passive from the BB then all the other positions. There are 11 bot accounts in this screen because we have hands for only 11 of them. The 11 legit regulars accounts are simply 11 highest volume grinders from the same stakes from my DB.
Potbet did something similar around post 70, where he sorted all the accounts in his DB by 2 different postflop stats (he decided to keep those stats a secret) and the alleged botters were sitting all next to each other in the screen.
I have used the stats BB Agg, Agg, 3bet, sqz.
G column is Agg/BB Agg ratio
H column is 3bet/sqz ratio
J column is =G*H which produces a number that has no meaning on its own its just used by me to compare accounts.
The Russian PTR screenshots are prime evidence against 17 accounts.
I tried to show further links between those 17 accounts. I have noticed that all the alleged botters have 3bet very similar to squeze which is rare for legit regs that usually have a much tighter squeze then 3bet range. Same goes for BB Agg compared to overall Agg, most legit regs are slightly more passive from the BB then all the other positions. There are 11 bot accounts in this screen because we have hands for only 11 of them. The 11 legit regulars accounts are simply 11 highest volume grinders from the same stakes from my DB.
Potbet did something similar around post 70, where he sorted all the accounts in his DB by 2 different postflop stats (he decided to keep those stats a secret) and the alleged botters were sitting all next to each other in the screen.
06-07-2015
, 02:36 PM
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I have created the following spreadsheet using data from TrollAccounts (thx!) post for the alleged botters and using my own HEM for the legit regs.
I have used the stats BB Agg, Agg, 3bet, sqz.
G column is Agg/BB Agg ratio
H column is 3bet/sqz ratio
J column is =G*H which produces a number that has no meaning on its own its just used by me to compare accounts.
The Russian PTR screenshots are prime evidence against 17 accounts.
I tried to show further links between those 17 accounts. I have noticed that all the alleged botters have 3bet very similar to squeze which is rare for legit regs that usually have a much tighter squeze then 3bet range. Same goes for BB Agg compared to overall Agg, most legit regs are slightly more passive from the BB then all the other positions. There are 11 bot accounts in this screen because we have hands for only 11 of them. The 11 legit regulars accounts are simply 11 highest volume grinders from the same stakes from my DB.
Potbet did something similar around post 70, where he sorted all the accounts in his DB by 2 different postflop stats (he decided to keep those stats a secret) and the alleged botters were sitting all next to each other in the screen.
I have used the stats BB Agg, Agg, 3bet, sqz.
G column is Agg/BB Agg ratio
H column is 3bet/sqz ratio
J column is =G*H which produces a number that has no meaning on its own its just used by me to compare accounts.
The Russian PTR screenshots are prime evidence against 17 accounts.
I tried to show further links between those 17 accounts. I have noticed that all the alleged botters have 3bet very similar to squeze which is rare for legit regs that usually have a much tighter squeze then 3bet range. Same goes for BB Agg compared to overall Agg, most legit regs are slightly more passive from the BB then all the other positions. There are 11 bot accounts in this screen because we have hands for only 11 of them. The 11 legit regulars accounts are simply 11 highest volume grinders from the same stakes from my DB.
Potbet did something similar around post 70, where he sorted all the accounts in his DB by 2 different postflop stats (he decided to keep those stats a secret) and the alleged botters were sitting all next to each other in the screen.
some of those names are really bots?? that is ****ing scary if so
Last edited by ChicagoJoey; 06-07-2015 at 02:47 PM.
06-07-2015
, 02:40 PM
06-07-2015
, 03:09 PM
Those stats are just sick 
The more I read the thread the more I get convinced that it might be a really clever bot ring. FedorZaysev does bumhunt weak players up to 5/10 (although, he plays pretty mechanical on 1/2 zoom) Additionally, I saw seregaxxx spew hard several times. My best guess is that those guys use some sort of software that directs them in the game.
I really hope that Stars will promptly find the solution to this problem and poker will not follow the faith of online chess and backgammon.
The more I read the thread the more I get convinced that it might be a really clever bot ring. FedorZaysev does bumhunt weak players up to 5/10 (although, he plays pretty mechanical on 1/2 zoom) Additionally, I saw seregaxxx spew hard several times. My best guess is that those guys use some sort of software that directs them in the game. I really hope that Stars will promptly find the solution to this problem and poker will not follow the faith of online chess and backgammon.
06-07-2015
, 03:17 PM
06-07-2015
, 03:19 PM
Thats a graphic representation of the spreadsheet from my previous post. Red dots are banned accounts, purple are other accounts from my list. Green dots represent legit high volume regs.
The major and main evidence are Russia PTR screenshots, showing 17 accounts with extremely similar postflop stats. Additional minor evidence is potbets post http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=72 and my spreadsheet.
The 17 accounts were preselected based on Russian PTR, where I have browsed and checked almost every single reg from PL 100-400 stakes.
To make more scientific potbet and I have come up with 4 different postflop stats that are not included in Russian PTR. Those stats very rare amongst legit regs and yet there are shared by all the suspicious accounts (11/11 that we managed to get HEM screenshots for). I mean all suspicious account went 11/11 on those 4 stats which makes it 44/44.
06-07-2015
, 03:26 PM
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just wanted to add a screenshot that shows the unique stats they play (unbalanced hyperaggressive in some spots postflop). DB was filtered for regulars and players listed top-bottom by these 2 specific stats. The yellow markings are the 4 IPokernicks mentioned. DB is filtered for regulars on Stars and Ipoker
wow
06-07-2015
, 03:44 PM
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He was banned, a total of 10 out of 17 accounts from my list is already banned or at least didnt play a single hand in the last 4 months.
Thats a graphic representation of the spreadsheet from my previous post. Red dots are banned accounts, purple are other accounts from my list. Green dots represent legit high volume regs.
The major and main evidence are Russia PTR screenshots, showing 17 accounts with extremely similar postflop stats. Additional minor evidence is potbets post http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=72 and my spreadsheet.
The 17 accounts were preselected based on Russian PTR, where I have browsed and checked almost every single reg from PL 100-400 stakes.
To make more scientific potbet and I have come up with 4 different postflop stats that are not included in Russian PTR. Those stats very rare amongst legit regs and yet there are shared by all the suspicious accounts (11/11 that we managed to get HEM screenshots for). I mean all suspicious account went 11/11 on those 4 stats which makes it 44/44.
Thats a graphic representation of the spreadsheet from my previous post. Red dots are banned accounts, purple are other accounts from my list. Green dots represent legit high volume regs.
The major and main evidence are Russia PTR screenshots, showing 17 accounts with extremely similar postflop stats. Additional minor evidence is potbets post http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=72 and my spreadsheet.
The 17 accounts were preselected based on Russian PTR, where I have browsed and checked almost every single reg from PL 100-400 stakes.
To make more scientific potbet and I have come up with 4 different postflop stats that are not included in Russian PTR. Those stats very rare amongst legit regs and yet there are shared by all the suspicious accounts (11/11 that we managed to get HEM screenshots for). I mean all suspicious account went 11/11 on those 4 stats which makes it 44/44.
06-07-2015
, 04:19 PM
SusaaNiN indeed, how could I miss him. Make it 12/12 with my spreadsheet and his Russian PTR stats are in the OP, they match the others. Also added another legit reg as another green dot.
Red dots - on my list and banned by Stars
Orange dots - on my list and still playing
Green dots - legit regs
Red dots - on my list and banned by Stars
Orange dots - on my list and still playing
Green dots - legit regs
06-07-2015
, 04:48 PM
06-07-2015
, 08:56 PM
The "scientific" way of checking how different 2 accounts are from each other is to measure the distance between their respective stats. I did it for 1 banned bot accounts: BOOTTLEGGER, 3 active accounts from my list: IMissFender,Samanta81,SusaaNIN and 4 legit regulars from PL200: N@T@L@T,Shuller_A1t,Nakamator,Bagrovui. I picked those legit accounts because they have played a lot of hands and are mostly Russian.
The stats of banned bots/alleged bots are here http://i57.tinypic.com/2n84qow.png
I entered them into an excel spreadsheet here:
I will not post the stats of legit players to protect their privacy.
Afterwards I have calculated the distance between those 8 accounts mentioned earlier. I have used "Squared Euclidean distance" for it. It can be found here http://i61.tinypic.com/6ell61.png
Thats the distance between following account pairs in form of a graph
The 6 first columns are BOOTLEGGER,Samanta81,IMissFender,SusaaNiN compared in pairs.
The next 6 columns are 4 legit accounts compared in pairs.
The last column is an alleged bot SuSaaNiN compared to legit Russian grinder N@T@L@T.
Small column means small distance, accounts are very similar, big column means the accounts are completely different.
EDIT: I didnt enter more accounts because typing all of it into excel is a huge pain in the ass. I will put all my research on Google Drive on Tuesday and make it free for everyone to download, including the spreadsheet to calculate the difference between any 2 accounts.
The stats of banned bots/alleged bots are here http://i57.tinypic.com/2n84qow.png
I entered them into an excel spreadsheet here:
I will not post the stats of legit players to protect their privacy.
Afterwards I have calculated the distance between those 8 accounts mentioned earlier. I have used "Squared Euclidean distance" for it. It can be found here http://i61.tinypic.com/6ell61.png
Thats the distance between following account pairs in form of a graph
The 6 first columns are BOOTLEGGER,Samanta81,IMissFender,SusaaNiN compared in pairs.
The next 6 columns are 4 legit accounts compared in pairs.
The last column is an alleged bot SuSaaNiN compared to legit Russian grinder N@T@L@T.
Small column means small distance, accounts are very similar, big column means the accounts are completely different.
EDIT: I didnt enter more accounts because typing all of it into excel is a huge pain in the ass. I will put all my research on Google Drive on Tuesday and make it free for everyone to download, including the spreadsheet to calculate the difference between any 2 accounts.
Last edited by Schwein; 06-07-2015 at 09:05 PM.