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Old 06-22-2015, 02:05 PM   #1201
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That's a good point.

Merge takes 6months to withdraw small ammounts from, very little if any bots there.
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:35 PM   #1202
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what about this: if PS decides to return some of the bots' funds to the cheated players 10% of it goes directly to Schwein? I think he deserves at least some kind of compensation for his great effort.
that is a good idea. but as this takes probably months and most of us will forget about your idea, what about this:
we make our donations to Schwein now

@Schwein
Is there a way to ship you some $ for your awesome work?
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Old 06-22-2015, 06:55 PM   #1203
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@Schwein
Is there a way to ship you some $ for your awesome work?
PM your paypal swein and ill send u some as well
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Old 06-22-2015, 08:36 PM   #1204
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cleaned up some posts from this thread.

dandan, quality > quantity. you might not realize that you post a lot, but you do. so tone down a bit please.
I banned him for two weeks. Already asked him twice in PMs to stop clogging this thread up.
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Old 06-23-2015, 01:36 AM   #1205
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Seregaxx

Would you like to take this opportunity to defend yourself? People here would like to hear more about your "access to specific game calculations". We would also like to hear you explain how your decisions closely matched those of other banned accounts and even strategy changes/updates were made at same time of year, even though you have said you don't know these other people.

Any e-mails from PokerStars that you would like to share would be interesting. What is the state of your ability to play on Pokerstar? If you have been banned what did they say was the reason?

Take this opportunity to defend yourself if you are innocent of any wrong doing. Innocent people defend themselves.
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:56 AM   #1206
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars/Party and how to spot them

gl getting a response if legit..there is 0 incentive to give away free information away to a open forum like this. All they need to do is prove it to stars
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Old 06-23-2015, 02:09 PM   #1207
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Mods,

Looking through my database I have some pretty mind blowing hands played between the BOT accounts, basically total spew/money dumping. Is this an apporiate place to post a couple hands? Thanks
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Old 06-24-2015, 12:23 AM   #1208
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Old 06-24-2015, 04:30 AM   #1209
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Any reason to think this is NOT happening on bovada right now? Seems like it would be impossible to catch since there's no screen names etc. makes me not want to play at all anymore.
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Old 06-24-2015, 08:31 AM   #1210
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Here's an excerpt from 'The Art of Intrusion' (a compilation of hacking stories published in 2005):

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The Texas Hold 'Em Hack

One of the things poker players feel pretty confident about when sitting
down at a table in a major casino — whether playing today's most popu-
lar version, Texas Hold 'Em, or some other variation — is that, under the
watchful eyes of the dealer, the pit bosses, and the all-seeing video cam-
eras, they can count on their own skill and luck, and not worry much that
some of the other players might be cheating.

These days, thanks to the Internet, it's possible to sit down at a poker
table electronically — playing from the comfort of your own computer,
for money, against live players sitting at their computers in various parts
of the country and the world.

And then along comes a hacker who recognizes a way to give himself
more than a little advantage, by using a homemade hot — a robot — in
this case, an electronic one. The hacker, Ron, says that this involved
"writing a bot that played 'mathematically perfect' poker online while
misleading the opponents into thinking they were playing against a real
human player." Besides making money on everyday games, he entered his
bot in quite a number of tournaments with impressive success. "In one
four-hour 'free-roll' (no entry fee) tournament that started with three
hundred players, the bot finished in second place."

Things were going great guns until Ron made an error in judgment:
He decided to offer the bot for sale, with a price tag of $99 a year to each
buyer. People began to hear about the product and folks using the online
poker site he had targeted became concerned that they might be playing
against robotic players. "This caused such an uproar (and concern by
casino management that they would lose customers) that the site added
code to detect the use of my bot and said they would permanently ban
anyone caught using it."

Time for a change in strategy.

After unsuccessfully attempting to make a business of the bot tech-
nology itself I decided to take the whole project underground. I
modified the bot to play at one of the largest online poker sites,
and extended the technology so it could play in "team mode,"
where two or more bots at the same table share their hidden cards
among themselves for unfair advantage.


In his original email about this adventure, Ron implied that his bots
were still in use. Later, he wrote again asking us to say the following:

After assessing the financial harm that would be caused to thou-
sands of online poker players, Ron ultimately decided never to use
his technology against others.

Still, online gamblers, you need to decide for yourselves. If Ron could
do it, so can others. You might be better off hopping a plane to Las Vegas.
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Old 06-24-2015, 11:43 AM   #1211
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Mods,

Looking through my database I have some pretty mind blowing hands played between the BOT accounts, basically total spew/money dumping. Is this an apporiate place to post a couple hands? Thanks
I think they were indeed dumping. Maybe to both fund their different accs and for cashing out? I guess it helps with their player image too.
Dumping makes it also harder to estimate their true winrate.

Seems like Fedor was one of their primary accounts:

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Old 06-24-2015, 02:27 PM   #1212
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Does anyone remember where TheUnSullied was from?
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:26 PM   #1213
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Does anyone remember where TheUnSullied was from?
I Think Israel if I'm not mistaken, think he played mostly 500 and 600 tho, and he tilted a lot.
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Old 06-24-2015, 05:20 PM   #1214
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:48 AM   #1215
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Honestly using PTR to prove anything its just a joke. The figures they have in their DB has 0 reality. If i check my accounts there it shows a huge profit ( 4times higher than the actual lol) in this year.
RPTR are much closer to the real life
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:53 AM   #1216
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Sorry guys, I'm traveling right now(summer) and will not be able to read/post on 2+2 for 2-3 weeks due to the fact that I don't have PC with me.
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:02 AM   #1217
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Sorry guys, I'm traveling right now(summer) and will not be able to read/post on 2+2 for 2-3 weeks due to the fact that I don't have PC with me.
Your english seems brilliant lately
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:11 AM   #1218
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Honestly using PTR to prove anything its just a joke. The figures they have in their DB has 0 reality. If i check my accounts there it shows a huge profit ( 4times higher than the actual lol) in this year.
RPTR are much closer to the real life
So you´ve my Money!^^ ptr is huge joke and waaaaaay off, on mine its quite the opposite since they track again(think june/july 14) they have like 30% of my winnings tracked, also i saw a guy as "worst enemy" where i couldn't even recall his name and regarding ptr he won like 5 figures from me, checked him in my DB and he´s actually down 2k to me after a long HU match, so it seems they just tracked his big winners and no losers at all!

tldr; lol ptr

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Sorry guys, I'm traveling right now(summer) and will not be able to read/post on 2+2 for 2-3 weeks due to the fact that I don't have PC with me.
best wishes to your fellow travel buds fedor, sam and co!
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:19 AM   #1219
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Nice to travel with money that you stole from other people.
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Old 06-25-2015, 06:33 AM   #1220
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Honestly using PTR to prove anything its just a joke. The figures they have in their DB has 0 reality. If i check my accounts there it shows a huge profit ( 4times higher than the actual lol) in this year.
RPTR are much closer to the real life

I guess the actual fishy hands are better indicator of dumping.

Even if the data is too random for winnings/losses we can see PTR tracked them playing a lot vs each other comparing to other regs.

Unless ofc you think PTRs randomness is someway rigged
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Old 06-25-2015, 06:59 AM   #1221
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best wishes to your fellow travel bOTs fedor, sam and co!
Too easy ;P FYP
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Old 06-25-2015, 07:02 PM   #1222
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Old 06-25-2015, 09:39 PM   #1223
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Old 06-26-2015, 03:35 AM   #1224
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Hey all,

We are going to talk about this on the Pokercast tomorrow. Can someone please give me a cliffs?

Also, if anyone has any questions they would like asked of the Stars rep please post them.

PM'd Schwein to see if he might like to come on the show to discuss as well.
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:02 AM   #1225
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They are all banned from playing atm

I think it's extremely likely they were hole card sharing

Seeing the hand purple k posted and seeing their winrates and the fact they played with each other so much.

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PokerStars Hand #136037791276: Omaha Pot Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2015/05/30 13:25:17 PT [2015/05/30 16:25:17 ET]
Table 'Haltia III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Samanta81 ($1243.25 in chips)
Seat 2: samsam108 ($9.34 in chips)
Seat 3: PURPLE"K"99 ($1220.84 in chips)
Seat 4: FedorZaysev ($851 in chips)
Seat 5: check_lol ($403.84 in chips)
Seat 6: Borys313 ($327.15 in chips)
PURPLE"K"99: posts small blind $2
FedorZaysev: posts big blind $4
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to PURPLE"K"99 [8h Qh 6s 7s]
check_lol: raises $10 to $14
Borys313: folds
Samanta81: folds
samsam108: calls $9.34 and is all-in
PURPLE"K"99: calls $12
FedorZaysev: raises $50 to $64
check_lol: calls $50
PURPLE"K"99: calls $50
FLOP [7h 9c 4h]
PURPLE"K"99: checks
FedorZaysev: checks
check_lol: checks
TURN [7h 9c 4h] [5d]
PURPLE"K"99: checks
FedorZaysev: bets $198.54
check_lol: folds
PURPLE"K"99: raises $595.62 to $794.16
FedorZaysev: calls $588.46 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($7.16) returned to PURPLE"K"99
RIVER [7h 9c 4h 5d] [Jh]
SHOW DOWN
PURPLE"K"99: shows [8h Qh 6s 7s] (a flush, Queen high)
FedorZaysev: mucks hand
PURPLE"K"99 collected $1736.86 from side pot
samsam108: mucks hand
PURPLE"K"99 collected $35.68 from main pot
SUMMARY
Total pot $1775.34 Main pot $35.68. Side pot $1736.86. | Rake $2.80
Board [7h 9c 4h 5d Jh]
Seat 1: Samanta81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: samsam108 (button) mucked [Ts Kd 3d Ac]
Seat 3: PURPLE"K"99 (small blind) showed [8h Qh 6s 7s] and won ($1772.54) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 4: FedorZaysev (big blind) mucked [Kc 4s Ks 3h]
Seat 5: check_lol folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Borys313 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

In a pot where someones already allin i know for not many chips but 3 way pot he gets checked to twice from me and both of us are showing weakness so he just stabs huge... and then decides to call? Because its clearly not a person. Seriously no normal good reg would EVER EVER do this. After i lost this hand i showed it to a friend and said "the fact that he makes money scares this **** out of me" little did i know he was more than just stupid.
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