Massive bot ring on PokerStars/Party and how to spot them - Page 4 - High Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

Snoop Todd · 06-06-2015, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwein

topdog669 (Russia)

That even sounds like the bot made up a screen name.

shimmy · 06-07-2015, 12:15 AM

gantenbein29 is 100% not a bot, I know who he is.

kutty2 · 06-07-2015, 02:01 AM

Just curious, has there ever been an instance where statistical data was collected like this and pointed to some sort of cheating and that turned out not to be the case? (I can only think of the UB super-user situation)

naggeri · 06-07-2015, 02:19 AM

Yoo4 is def not a bot. Played last year lot of MTTs and had pretty big scores plus we used to chat as well.
E.g his chat style and seregaxx style are completly different for sure.

apo5tol · 06-07-2015, 02:33 AM

Kot_Spartac is my real life friend (Andrey Kotelnikov), he also plays mtt's, sngs, plo cash and a lot of other things. Suspecting him of anything is beyond ridiculous.

N@T@L@T is a very nice girl Natasha who plays a pretty unique style. Also 100% not a bot.

Lets try to stick to facts guys

k i d · 06-07-2015, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by apo5tol

Kot_Spartac is my real life friend (Andrey Kotelnikov), he also plays mtt's, sngs, plo cash and a lot of other things. Suspecting him of anything is beyond ridiculous.

maybe you're a bot too?

apo5tol · 06-07-2015, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by k i d

maybe you're a bot too?

why are you still not banned

k i d · 06-07-2015, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by apo5tol

why are you still not banned

it was just a joke man, obv you're not a bot, I mean I'm 99% sure that your're not.

naggeri · 06-07-2015, 03:01 AM

Agree with apostol. Pick up randomly russian nicks and put here without any serious suspicion its nonsense and makes this thread not serious.

TianYuan · 06-07-2015, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy

gantenbein29 is 100% not a bot, I know who he is.

Hehe yeah, I dont know him, but if he's a bot, the bot maker did a good job implementing a very realistic chat tilt : ))) (before he got chat banned)

Would also be hugely surprised if Samanta18 was a bot..... first of all he plays preflop so insanely differently from all these other guys, and he has a ton of really unorthodox (and seemingly good) plays post flop that the others do not.

Tbh I'd be surprised if most of these were bots, but Samanta especially.

Hope it turns out to be false... Or well, I mean, they are all winning players so I guess it would be nicer if they disappeared but I still want them to be innocent ;[

nwb123 · 06-07-2015, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwein

Appreciate but no need to send me anything. All you need to do is prepare and post such screenshots, I reckon you will figure out how to do them.

BB Agg=overall Agg and 3bet=sqz

We have all the other postflop stats that can be found on the so called Russian PTR, apart from the ones here which I believe are very helpful for establishing an additional link as explained earlier in post https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=24

I checked some of the accounts (Samanta81, SuSaaNiN, 4somniare) with a guy who has a loooot of hands on them, the stat pairs were not suspiciously close to each other. However, boottlegger (already banned) did not have those pair of stats close too, so he was either not a bot, or these stats do not mean anything.
I don't think I can post screenshot of some players' stats, as I wouldn't be happy if somebody posted my stats out there too; after all we have to respect the guys unless proven they're bots.

Jabonator · 06-07-2015, 05:20 AM

God damn.

CRACKplusTWO · 06-07-2015, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by potbet

just wanted to add a screenshot that shows the unique stats they play (unbalanced hyperaggressive in some spots postflop). DB was filtered for regulars and players listed top-bottom by these 2 specific stats. The yellow markings are the 4 IPokernicks mentioned. DB is filtered for regulars on Stars and Ipoker

Can you PM me the stats you was filtering for? I want to check those out myself.
Also I just looked over fedor and Samanta and I still have no idea how they should be bots. I did the stuff suggested in the OP but what now? Can somebody explain how this should confirm that they are bots?
I mean in my DB fedors queeze is 8.6% and 3bet 9.3%.... so he is squeezing 8.6% of the time why does that has to mean that he is a bot?

EDIT:
maybe I just dont want to face the hard reality and am hoping that there are not that many bots^^

Grethe · 06-07-2015, 06:54 AM

Guys, can we please make this thread a bit more academic and not just with squeeze from BB stats?!

TrollAccount · 06-07-2015, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwein

Yes anyone can help.

I need someone who played alot of hands with the already banned accounts to step forward and post.

(BB Agg, Overall Agg) and (3bet,sqz)

for the following accounts:

totalsuccess (Russia)
topdog669 (Russia)
thoughtsaway (Russia)
RichardLionH (Russia)
smellurbux (Russia)
Razdavay7 (Kazakhstan).
Phantorin (Kazakhstan)
IPushmyPrius
DRNKStud

Please dont post if you have less then 5k hands on them (filter for 6 handed only).

BB Agg=Overall Agg and 3bet=sqz is true for all of 6 accounts that are in my DB, even though its extremely rare for any other winning player. I provided evidence here https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=24

can not provide for every account but here is for some:

Here the stats for the OP mentioned ones:

That said i hope it turns out well and dude like Fedor, Sam etc, are legit...

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Originally Posted by apo5tol

Kot_Spartac is my real life friend (Andrey Kotelnikov), he also plays mtt's, sngs, plo cash and a lot of other things. Suspecting him of anything is beyond ridiculous.

N@T@L@T is a very nice girl Natasha who plays a pretty unique style. Also 100% not a bot.

Lets try to stick to facts guys

maked me smile, remembering some funny chat tilts while playing deep HU

but we def need pics bro!

happyfister · 06-07-2015, 07:56 AM

Fighting Bots and trying to get them banned from playing is obviously important for everyone

However i doubt that posting a list with "suspicious" players from eastern europe is getting the job done. Especially when the poster could have excluded players such as N@t and Yoo by doing a little bit of research

TrollAccount · 06-07-2015, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Boquense

A couple of us messaged Stars about these guys last year (noticed that alot of their stats were basically identical etc...); we got blown off.

I started a running list of some people I thought were suspicious (I'm sure many of them aren't, but I basically threw in anyone from that area of the world that had suspicious stats loosely planning to do an in depth comparison to which I never got around).

Anyway, here's the list.... like I said I'm sure many of these guys are completely innocent but posting it all on the off chance it may be of help.
FedorZaysev
Samanta81
seregaxx
bagrovui
imissfender
ipushmyprius
tatar-kyzy
yoo4
YouSoNaive
N@T@L@T
Fifa74ever
BOOTTLEGGER
emper0r92 (Belarus)
Susaanin
FataMorganax
Flash_ua (ukraine)
gantenbien29
GosuDiac
PushMeSlowly
BcexnopByH
z81ima
ponkrat18
jnsan1
HorticAUS
jansan1
grystno
pokerbanderu
MIB2121
Kot_Spartak

PLZ stop posting not qualified lists, im sure OP and his entourage put a lot of hrs in before they came here and post, so posting just a list with random names which u thaught 5mins about. it isnt the smartest and fairest thing to do imo.

happyfister · 06-07-2015, 08:01 AM

+1 pics from N@t

OstapBender · 06-07-2015, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TrollAccount

PLZ stop posting not qualified lists, im sure OP and his entourage put a lot of hrs in before they came here and post, so posting just a list with random names which u thaught 5mins about isnt the smartest and fairest thing to do imo.

agree

insyder19 · 06-07-2015, 08:05 AM

I don't think N@T@L@T is a bot, I don't believe its girl either.

I think Cobus is one, very fast one!

krolewicz · 06-07-2015, 08:17 AM

I'm sorry, but looking an some names posted in a thread, it seems like someone found some digits matching and went paranoia.

I dont believe that anyone that ever played a hand /w Seregaxx would even consider him a bot, same goes with Fedor. I have Samantha/Susain color-coded since since NLHE/forever. Emperor does things lil bit different in some ways, but who doesn't?
I even saw GosuDiac mentioned by someone, which I believe is laughable. Haven't really played with the rest (except maybe 4somniare and not raised any suspicion), but all above looks pretty much like a witch hunt to me.

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I strongly believe those arent fully automated. The playing schedule of the ones on zoom would suggest, that they are operated by humans working a 9 to 5 and 5 days a week job. (some sort of PLOSnowie?)

I fail to see a logic. If you have spare hours, why don't play yourself?

Schwein · 06-07-2015, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Boquense

A couple of us messaged Stars about these guys last year (noticed that alot of their stats were basically identical etc...); we got blown off.

I started a running list of some people I thought were suspicious (I'm sure many of them aren't, but I basically threw in anyone from that area of the world that had suspicious stats loosely planning to do an in depth comparison to which I never got around).

Anyway, here's the list.... like I said I'm sure many of these guys are completely innocent but posting it all on the off chance it may be of help.
FedorZaysev (S)
Samanta81 (S)
seregaxx (S)
bagrovui
imissfender (S)
ipushmyprius (S)
tatar-kyzy
yoo4
YouSoNaive
N@T@L@T
Fifa74ever
BOOTTLEGGER (S)
emper0r92 (Belarus) (S)
Susaanin (S)
FataMorganax
Flash_ua (ukraine)
gantenbien29
GosuDiac
PushMeSlowly
BcexnopByH
z81ima
ponkrat18
jnsan1
HorticAUS
jansan1
grystno
pokerbanderu
MIB2121
Kot_Spartak

I have rechecked every single account on this list and absolutely none of the new names popping up is anything close to the 17 accounts listed by Grethe&Oink&Schwein.

I am looking for a total of 20 stats that are extremely close, and for all the names I had to look at just 2-3 apart from one account where I had to look at 5-6 stats to conclude that there is a no link whatsoever.

(S) stands for Schwein list, and yes the ones with (S) are suspicious as hell.

The 3 stats I had to look for were CheckR flop around 15%, CheckR Turn around 15%, CheckR around 3%. Thats one of the many patterns shared by the 17 accounts posted by me.

All the other ones are totally innocent of being part of a ring. Please stop posting any new names before running them via Grethe and Oink. Dont muddy the waters.

bombonca · 06-07-2015, 08:58 AM

Great, looking forward to soon coming refund.

freewilly12 · 06-07-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwein

All the other ones are totally innocent of being part of a ring. Please stop posting any new names before running them via Grethe and Oink. Dont muddy the waters.

Hey,

I reported TotalSucces, TopDog669 and rihardlionH seven months ago to Stars.
I also opened thread about iPoker PLO botring.

There is couple other stats not mentioned ITT that are pretty unique to these bots but don't want to discuss it here...
Is there a way to contact you Schwein?

KrachBummEnte · 06-07-2015, 09:44 AM

Guys if you want the community and the people who do actual good work here to be taken serious then plz stop vague suspicions and offtopic bs like "pics from n@t". Get this thread where it's supposed to go.