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Old 06-14-2015, 04:58 PM   #951
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

someone said earlier that theyve stopped playing today apart from 1 or 2 of them? is that still the case or some of them made an appearance?
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Old 06-14-2015, 05:05 PM   #952
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someone said earlier that theyve stopped playing today apart from 1 or 2 of them? is that still the case or some of them made an appearance?
I can confirm this.

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how is this FedorZaysev guy still playing like he doesnt even care ... on a bunch of reg, three zoom tables and chatting with other players saying that he will always be there. some balls on that "guy"
But he gone now.
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Old 06-14-2015, 05:16 PM   #953
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moxyyy still playing
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Old 06-14-2015, 05:27 PM   #954
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Fedor still playing 200z
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Old 06-14-2015, 07:13 PM   #955
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moxyyy playing at the moment
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Old 06-14-2015, 08:33 PM   #956
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

how someone can read past three sentences of dan's first post without ignoring the rest of his "contributions" will for me forever be a mystery. but then again benni always gets multiple responses even though it was obvious after about three posts that he wasn't worth responding to, so i guess i'm not surprised.

back on topic: seregaxx defense is very obviously more incriminating than it is exonerating. thanks for posting!
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Old 06-14-2015, 08:40 PM   #957
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Why would Fedorsaysev play zoom suddenly? He never ever played zoom before to my knowlegde.

And why is Seregaxx not posting anymore? He said he would. Does he need more than a day to ''translate'' his post again....
He probably realises some answers were dumb.
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Old 06-14-2015, 10:00 PM   #958
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Why would Fedorsaysev play zoom suddenly? He never ever played zoom before to my knowlegde.

And why is Seregaxx not posting anymore? He said he would. Does he need more than a day to ''translate'' his post again....
He probably realises some answers were dumb.
I don't think there's anything suspicious about playing zoom. Much more interesting would be Fedor playing 5-card plo or 8-game for example...
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Old 06-14-2015, 10:32 PM   #959
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damn how the hell are there PLO bots that are crushing. I thought coders were still trying to make decent NLHE bots!?

That's gotta be some special code/technology
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:20 PM   #960
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@Simonsayscall: any idea why so many other russian players have such similar stats? Do you study or talk with any of the other suspected bots?



I already wrote that I have an access to specific game calculations, I can train my skills using it. My game training process doesnt include communication with anybody
I dont know who else can have an access to these calculations.

Let me write a few more words why the "I have access to special calculations/materials/charts to train my game" explanation is totally ridiculous.

Its common knowledge who the big winners in PLO are, I am sure many people tried to copy their game. Lets use Cobus as an example, a lot of people have played against him, have all his stats and probably tried really hard to play like he does. I mean if someone managed to copy everything Cobus does he would have the same great results. So how many Cobus clones are out there? None. If it was possible to copy another players game entirely there should be plenty of them and there are none. How many coaches managed to create a perfect copy of themself when teaching their students how to play? The answer remains the same, none.

How is it possible then there are 27 predominately Russian accounts having exactly the same 21 RPTR stats as well as a lot of other stats from HEM. There is only one explanation, they have a program/bot that is giving them every single postflop decision and they just sit there and click the buttons as they are told.

The accounts playing on zoom never deviated from the bot that advice and also had the same preflop RFI from every position, much harder to spot foul play on zoom. The guys playing on regular tables had slightly different preflop stats and once in a while did something totally out of line on their own to appear fishy or tilted, but if we look at their postflop stats combined with all the other stuff I have described in my previous posts its obvious they are using the same bot.
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Old 06-15-2015, 01:08 AM   #961
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@Pastofiora

Why are you not PMing Schwein when you suspect something shady to confirm, instead of just posting random funny played hands and outing random usernames because they donīt reply in chat?

This makes this thread unreadable and distracts from the "confirmed" bots.

If you are right you can still add the name to the list instead of maybe wrongly accusing innocent players.
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Old 06-15-2015, 01:21 AM   #962
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y i just askd that from myself after i did post that, and i dont know why i cannot edit that message off.
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Old 06-15-2015, 01:26 AM   #963
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y i just askd that from myself after i did post that, and i dont know why i cannot edit that message off.
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Old 06-15-2015, 03:27 AM   #964
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I don't know if anyone is familiar with the NewJersey games but you seem to require some kind of physical usb stick in your computer to play there. Anything illegal, your funds are removed and it's all linked to your real identity. You can't fake an account easily there. You also need to be physically in the state as it tracks your location.

Seeing how some of these NJ sites have 4+ fish per table up to midstakes, the recreational player don't mind these measures. That would be a very easy fix to most of the cheating.
How does the USB dongle work for mobile client devices?

I would request that an algorithm be created to scan a player's playing history and it be applied to anyone who requests p2p transfers or cash outs. I don't care if it adds a delay to a cashout, it's a layer of security for whenever money is being re/moved from the economy.
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Old 06-15-2015, 03:37 AM   #965
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If Pokerstars cant prevent fromm cheating, they shouldnt keep the money you pay for a fair environment.
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Old 06-15-2015, 03:38 AM   #966
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4somniare is back now too. hmmm no idea whats going on
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:18 AM   #967
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Trackers are what we used to detect the bots, not huds once again!
I understand that some people are against HUDs and there are reasons for that. But when it comes to bot-detection you need them very much.
Nobody filters his DB or RPTR for people having similar stats without a suspicion and an idea where to start. People realise similar to identical stats in their HUDs at the tables while playing. And if they find something suspicious they dig deeper by filtering DB, using RPTR or whatever.
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:21 AM   #968
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I don't think there's anything suspicious about playing zoom. Much more interesting would be Fedor playing 5-card plo or 8-game for example...
Btw, now Stars have to check all PLO 5 and 6 card regulars. Imagine, how big the advantage can be there in case of sharing cards. Plus there's no soft available to detect them easily. Goldmine.
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Old 06-15-2015, 06:23 AM   #969
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i deleted some posts, let's keep on topic and please keep reporting trolling/spam/off-topic. thanks

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Old 06-15-2015, 06:54 AM   #970
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Only read 18 pages so far, so could somebody say how exactly did they cheat? By coming up with some amazing strategy as if it's very easy to do and everybody could do the same but have moral standards against it? Not trying to defend the cheaters but it's amazing how far your imagination can go. I personally didnt see the evidence that they cheated. I guess card sharing is a huge issue (is it proven?) but i don't buy the whole "they solved 6-max plo part". What's stopping you from exploiting their amazing strategy if you got all the numbers on them? And if you're against the cooperation then we should ban all the skype groups of players sharing data and exploiting the hell out of weaker players. Do you think it's fair to the fish? And how could you stop 2 players from cooperating?
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Old 06-15-2015, 07:03 AM   #971
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What's stopping you from exploiting their amazing strategy if you got all the numbers on them?
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Old 06-15-2015, 07:09 AM   #972
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I give up with pokerstars. 3 of the biggest winning bots are still playing from yesterday to today?? They disappear and boom they all reappear??!! There is more than enough stats that blatantly identify these players as being bots. A whole range of calculations have been posted and sent to pokerstars. Ben sulky commented it's definitely a bot ring. Who's he? Probably the best PLO player in the world. How many more regs and recs need to be screwed till they shut this bot scam down.
They obviously we're not allowed to play for a week or they all went on a cruise for the week on our money! Now back again. No official comment from pokerstars except an email sent to my wife stating this could take weeks?? So we all get bled dry for a few more weeks while they hope this thread dies a death. In a police investigation they would ban all suspects of what ever fraud until they are happy the suspects are innocent but this investigation is not finished maybe for weeks so hey let's make more rake and bleed the regs dry!
Makes me sick and the British media I think is now the only option open to stop all this cheating ****. Give the "integrity team" till Tuesday for an official long overdue statement then I'm putting it in the national press. You can then read all the findings in your Sunday paper. We can have the British serious fraud office shut this all down if they believe a large scale bot fraud is going on in the UK.

Any thoughts? If I put this in then would like input to give to a pal at the mail on Sunday.

Good luck at the felt unless these bots are sitting at the tables.
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Old 06-15-2015, 07:17 AM   #973
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stop it dan. seriously. you are maybe the nut worst represantative.
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Old 06-15-2015, 07:18 AM   #974
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^not sure if this guy is on purpose here or drinks much cofee.
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Old 06-15-2015, 07:58 AM   #975
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I give up with pokerstars. 3 of the biggest winning bots are still playing from yesterday to today?? They disappear and boom they all reappear??!! There is more than enough stats that blatantly identify these players as being bots. A whole range of calculations have been posted and sent to pokerstars. Ben sulky commented it's definitely a bot ring. Who's he? Probably the best PLO player in the world. How many more regs and recs need to be screwed till they shut this bot scam down.
They obviously we're not allowed to play for a week or they all went on a cruise for the week on our money! Now back again. No official comment from pokerstars except an email sent to my wife stating this could take weeks?? So we all get bled dry for a few more weeks while they hope this thread dies a death. In a police investigation they would ban all suspects of what ever fraud until they are happy the suspects are innocent but this investigation is not finished maybe for weeks so hey let's make more rake and bleed the regs dry!
Makes me sick and the British media I think is now the only option open to stop all this cheating ****. Give the "integrity team" till Tuesday for an official long overdue statement then I'm putting it in the national press. You can then read all the findings in your Sunday paper. We can have the British serious fraud office shut this all down if they believe a large scale bot fraud is going on in the UK.

Any thoughts? If I put this in then would like input to give to a pal at the mail on Sunday.

Good luck at the felt unless these bots are sitting at the tables.
I do not know what happened to you Dan. You made some good posts some days ago and now you seem to be completely off. What bothers me most is that you stopped controlling the "facts" before tiltwriting here. If you really had so much knowledge about fraud detection environment and stuff you would know that facts have to be checked, how things are getting worked on and that time is needed for investigations (especially if the security team has to answer numerous mails regarding this thread).
Some of the alleged botters have not played for one or two days while there has not been a whole day where none of them played as far as I am aware. So, it is unlikely that Stars has frozen their accounts and now let them play again after having investigated.

I completely agree that the accounts should be frozen by now but on the other hand we all just got to know some weeks ago that identical stats are a strong indicator for foul play but are no 100% proof.
[ I am referring here to the HU-SNG case where Skier sold a software to other players who now play exactly like him. The software was investigated by Stars and does not violate Stars T&C. However, as it seems possible to have charts mapped by a software for the limited play in HU-SNG it is simply impossible for PLO]. So, it is understandable that Stars let them play during investigation but does not let them cash out (at least I hope they are blocked for cashouts atm) though probably all of us disagree.
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