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Old 06-09-2015, 01:56 PM   #451
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

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Banning players won't discourage the cheaters...only criminal penalty will.
Cheaters are essentially freerolling money here
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Old 06-09-2015, 01:58 PM   #452
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good to see i was playing them 3 handed...i like how they donk off vs each other...feeling really stupid now

my sample isnt huge but after me, the bot alias most common opponents are each other
This is why stars policy of with holding all information behind banning accounts doesn't make sens. There is no way for us, players to critique the way they deal with one important evolving aspect of poker.
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Old 06-09-2015, 01:59 PM   #453
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

fedor and seregax playing now...
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:09 PM   #454
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

Im not sure why people expect an instant ban or freeze on these accounts. .. the required burden of proof for stars might not be as high as in a court of law or whatever, but it it is certainly higher than it is for us.

As long as they dont allow cashouts/are investigating... maybe im an optimist.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:15 PM   #455
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

Some interesting discussion I found on botters forum:





So they might also be able to cashout the money..

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Old 06-09-2015, 02:18 PM   #456
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

Like 1-2 mentioned before, even if stars is able to ban a lot of the accounts it doesnt really matter, and this fact is making the whole situation unbelievable terrible, the reasons are:

1. Bot Accounts usually will cashout very often if they arent dumb, so most of the money is gone anyway

2. People who have such an criminal energy will just open new accounts with names from their cousins or whatever when one of their bot accounts is banned and **** is starting again and again

3. It's no surprise, there hasnt been a separation of the poker market in poor eastern European countries yet, because politic doesnt give a **** there. This only happens in wealthy countries (France, Spain, Italy...) And this means there isnt even a 0.001% chance something will happen in countries like Ukraine, Kazachstan, Belarus.... to take legal action against these online criminals. Like someone mentioned before: they are just freerolling by doing this. RIP plo
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:19 PM   #457
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

Don't stars require to verify your account ID to cash out any significant amount? Once a player is banned for botting and their ID is void, how can they keep playing/cashout on a new account?

Hmm Yeah I guess they could use a friend or cousins ID to play, no way to prove its not them, until they bust for botting again and need a new ID.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:25 PM   #458
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

a few min ago Fedor seemed to try to appear human like: when the table broke, he chatted with bong bob something like :
'sorry'
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'don't want to play you HU'
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'let's wait until somebody sits in'

(bong bob just replied politely that he doesn't care )
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:28 PM   #459
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Some interesting discussion I found on botters forum:





So they might also be able to cashout the money..

this is extremely interesting, but will be too educational for botters imo. even though they probably visit some bot forums, don't think you should give away the info inlcuded in those links
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:31 PM   #460
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Hmm Yeah I guess they could use a friend or cousins ID to play, no way to prove its not them, until they bust for botting again and need a new ID.

Since i've read from Greece 2-3 years ago that there have been a few thousands of cases where family members took the old-age pension of 100-120 year old relatives who died 30 years ago, because they just didnt tell the local authorities that the relatives died, im pretty confident they will find ways in Eastern Europe for new IDs to register new accounts, if necessary more than 2-3.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:31 PM   #461
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Don't stars require to verify your account ID to cash out any significant amount? Once a player is banned for botting and their ID is void, how can they keep playing/cashout on a new account?

Hmm Yeah I guess they could use a friend or cousins ID to play, no way to prove its not them, until they bust for botting again and need a new ID.
I guess getting new IDs is a very small problem. They could just offer 100$ per month to random people, who dont play poker.

If one acount gets busted, on to the next one. Is there anything they have to fear? Not really in my opinion...

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Old 06-09-2015, 02:37 PM   #462
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

lol not sure if mentioned but just got linked here and noticed IDDQD, that is a cheat code for the old Doom 2 PC game. Sick name for a bot account.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:37 PM   #463
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Some interesting discussion I found on botters forum:





So they might also be able to cashout the money..

for example, I found the website/forum and am reading a ton of stuff about bots. 2 things:

1. it may motivate more players to try and implement bots
2. things i read in this bot forum SCARE THE SH*T OUT OF ME, REALLY
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:46 PM   #464
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

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Old 06-09-2015, 02:49 PM   #465
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for example, I found the website/forum and am reading a ton of stuff about bots. 2 things:

1. it may motivate more players to try and implement bots
2. things i read in this bot forum SCARE THE SH*T OUT OF ME, REALLY
Pretty much all botters know that forum just like poker regs know 2+2.

It takes years to build a winning AI and then you need all the stealth software so I really doubt those screenshots do any harm..

People should know how widespread problem this is.

Some botter called Zoom/Rush best invention since online poker for botting.

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Old 06-09-2015, 02:54 PM   #466
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

Stars should hire some pro botmaker from that forum in their team to help develop software to catch others.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:57 PM   #467
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Moxyyy playing on stars right now.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:58 PM   #468
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

i say for example i can spot the bots when i have played less than 2k draws with them if they are even close as obiovus as those all i have played with.

pokerstars should hire bit more "paranoid" people/people who are good in their jobs for real/even bit more motivated people/people who does take every customer seriously/OP for example. i think that hiring thing is not a big deal. and if people are spotting bots as fast as in ~1-5k palyed draws with them, im pretty sure bots could not win IF pokerstars does start to freeze money from their account also. just saying few of my ideas what first comes in my mind.
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:00 PM   #469
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

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for example, I found the website/forum and am reading a ton of stuff about bots. 2 things:

1. it may motivate more players to try and implement bots
2. things i read in this bot forum SCARE THE SH*T OUT OF ME, REALLY
found the site to.. so many ridic stuff..

botters are fed up because they cant display there skills and what the programs actually are capable of because they have to be under the radar... lol

They make bots based on rules(on hand types or something?) or GTO based equity style(or something). GTO based style is apparently good for plo. It's even better to mix the 2 methods according to an forum user...
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:04 PM   #470
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

how is it possible that there is a company in business now for 10 years selling bots (still the same internet domain name) and none of the pokersites are detecting their bots??? they could easily download the newest bot from their site and add it to their list of prohibited apps. i assume they do not find prohibited apps by file name (in task manager) because any little kid can rename a program into Notepad.Exe or Calc.Exe to look unsuspicious. they could easily find the program in the clients memory. i coded some stuff for fun, a few years ago, that could do search the client memory for patterns as fast as possible. it could detect 100 patterns within a split second.

if any site should be seriously interested, send a PM and I send you a demo....

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Old 06-09-2015, 03:08 PM   #471
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

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a few min ago Fedor seemed to try to appear human like: when the table broke, he chatted with bong bob something like :
'sorry'
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'don't want to play you HU'
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'let's wait until somebody sits in'

(bong bob just replied politely that he doesn't care )
He also was playing Zoom (apparently for the first time ever) while plenty of playable regular tables were available. Gotta balance your lines.
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:20 PM   #472
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

At regular tables I start to devlop bot spotting skills. 1 bot, I stay, 2 bots, I leave...
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:25 PM   #473
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trying to keep bots in balance is just too late now, this only proves that more they are bots. just like fedor jumped to zoom now.

seregaxx have never before asked me to play HU.

people behind this bot thing are running out of ammo.

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Old 06-09-2015, 03:32 PM   #474
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I feel like the creation of new accounts shouldn't be SUCH a problem if pokerstars puts in the effort to start paying more attention to this. Should be easy to code some kind of filters that whenever a newly created account starts putting in a lot of volume (especially winning) it would be flagged and they would look into it to see if it is suspicious or legit. It's not like players that create their first account at stars now and instantly start crushing should be popping up in the millions.
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:34 PM   #475
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also plz let smart ppl like Schwein and PS anti-bot-team do their job and cut the `ZOMG EMPEROR PLAYS TODAY SKY IS FALLING SOMEONE KILL ME I QUIT PKER` crying.
so true. stop the noise in this thread guys
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