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Old 06-08-2015, 03:34 PM   #276
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

Balintreal is not a bot 100%, friend of mine
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:35 PM   #277
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I am on your list, but for myself i can say that i play lower levels more aggressive then higher levels, simply for the reason that i dont feel comfortable playing that agressive at 2/5 and sometimes 1/2 (yet), but obviously not always, one session i might decide to be very agressive another i am extremely tight just feel like playing like that...
Yea sorry to all legit regs who got color coded. I did not mean it as statement.
Seems like purple'K there too.
I think big part on that list are bots or using some AI..
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:36 PM   #278
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My read is that Pastafiore is in some way related to the bot ring and he is just randomly posting this stuff to complicate the thread , someone should look in to that
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:36 PM   #279
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Yea sorry about all legit regs who got color coded as suspicious.
Seems like purple'K there too.
I think big part on that list are bots though...
I just play as much as a bot ;D
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:38 PM   #280
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@Pastafiore
Yea i know, but as you know I am a table starter what means I am often playing 3 or 4 handed vs (almost) only suspected accounts. Rather play zoom because of that.

My wife plays these guys under the name
Dandan160808 & I also played them & I could never work out why they would go all in with say one Mediocre pair after tanking & then a disconnection. I just told my wife what's going on and she knew these guys or bots are not for real as I'd hear "not another crazy shove where sergeax or Fedor play crazy and win most of the time. It's mainly Eastern European players at $1/2 - $2/4 that bum hunt her. Now my wife can win live or when the big pokerstars crash happened and none of these bots were at the tables when pokerstars went down for a few days. This is one of a few times she made a profit. She told me she can turn $100 in to $500 Witt not too much problem over two days but when she ups stakes she lasts no longer that 20 mins max and gets a hand like xAAx beaten by 79JK so of coarse out comes an 8 plus a 10 or two pairs or a set? Or a runner runner flush. She's told me there are a couple of players she will name when she plays again soon on the $.50/1 and as low as $.25/.50
She says she's played pastafiore & he just is too damn good and picks his spots and makes good reads but I have seen some guys playing $1/2 on zoom with up to 1000BB!! Same player with 4 entries in zoom with huge stacks on each zoom PLO entry at the same stakes!!

I play all sites but my wife is well pissed that her account DanDan160808 which is named after our son Daniel born on the 16/08/08 just can't move up in stakes even if she's starting a table, the same 24/7 alleged bots just sit in every game until she sits out. Also she states that when 2 or 3 of them are at the same table and she leaves then everyone leaves except other recreational players who are lined up next to get beaten.

I play personally anything from $.05/.10 up to $10/20 as I play a lot of live games.

Are any answers coming from pokerstars yet? I would like these guys suspended until a full enquiry takes place.

Best wishes at the felt all & keep out of the way of these super user alleged bots.
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:39 PM   #281
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whats the sn+ support mail again?
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:40 PM   #282
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^^ pls stop
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:40 PM   #283
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Probably shouldn't admit to account sharing in your post
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:40 PM   #284
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Stick my wife Dandan160808 in for a laugh I think she's $80k in the hole since 2012.
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:43 PM   #285
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Probably shouldn't admit to account sharing in your post

No my wife plays on her account and I play on an anon account and now and again but I'm no good online. My wife tells me to F-Off if I look over her shoulder and I don't even know her account password.
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:44 PM   #286
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whats the sn+ support mail again?

Vip@pokerstars.com normally
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:45 PM   #287
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I made some custom notecaddy stats to color code players that fall in to confirmed bot stat ranges :



Hands: 1k +
VPIP = 15-34
AGG% = 38-100
BB 3bet/ SB 3bet ratio = over 1
Squeeze / 3Bet ratio = over 0.89
Check-Raise (HU pots) flop = over 15
Flop Fold to CB vs 1, SRP = less than 46

This is the list I got:
Games PLO ZOOM $25-$200

That doesnt prove anything. Lets not get carried away and start accusing anyone with aggressive stats. C/R more than 15% of flops in HU pots and folding less than 46% to cbets in HU SRP is pretty standard. Having a vpip in 15-34 is obv std as well.

When you run that query you just get a bunch of aggro regs. Dont mean they are bots.

My vpip is slightly above that, but otherwise my stats fit right in. Fairly sure I am not a bot
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:47 PM   #288
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dudes no matter if your "wife" is really your wife or just an alias for your 2nd account, can you just please stop this **** and keep the thread somehow clean? this is some really sick issue so we should put trolling/joking aside for a moment and concentrate on the important stuffs. ill go ahead and send this thread with a smallish text to the stars support and hope other high volume 100+ players do the same.
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:48 PM   #289
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I just play as much as a bot ;D
Seems so.

@ danfiu you sure your friend isn't a robot?

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Old 06-08-2015, 03:48 PM   #290
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Re: Massive bot ring on PokerStars and how to spot them

FWIW I found some hands from my 3.5k sample of more than one of these accounts on the same table where they are playing super aggro vs each other, not sure this proves anything either way.

CO is imissFender, BTN is 4somniare


    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36692171

    BTN: $1,102.60 (551.3 bb)
    SB: $175.10 (87.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $441.05 (220.5 bb)
    UTG: $422.07 (211 bb)
    MP: $331.40 (165.7 bb)
    CO: $200 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 5 3 T
    2 folds, CO raises to $6, BTN raises to $21, 2 folds, CO raises to $66, BTN calls $45

    Flop: ($135) J 9 A (2 players)
    CO checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($135) T (2 players)
    CO checks, BTN bets $29, CO raises to $134 and is all-in, BTN calls $105

    River: ($403) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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    edit: and yeah, one more time, if both these guys are amongst the biggest winners this year at 200z this year then...
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    Old 06-08-2015, 03:48 PM   #291
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    Purple k99 definitely not a bot. Just a very talented player who I think ran deep in the scoop main? Not sure now but he had $10k to enter.

    I've played him and he uses his clock and betting format that is of no suspicion to me.
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    Old 06-08-2015, 03:50 PM   #292
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    My read is that Pastafiore is in some way related to the bot ring and he is just randomly posting this stuff to complicate the thread , someone should look in to that
    feel free, im pretty sure many regs can confirm me legit. here is my blog in finnish and ive started it 09. im now 23yr olad and played poker for living from 16 year old. first ~5 years i played italian game called telesina in another network. http://www.pokerisivut.com/forum/vie...6745&start=390
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    Old 06-08-2015, 03:50 PM   #293
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    That doesnt prove anything. Lets not get carried away and start accusing anyone with aggressive stats. C/R more than 15% of flops in HU pots and folding less than 46% to cbets in HU SRP is pretty standard. Having a vpip in 15-34 is obv std as well.

    When you run that query you just get a bunch of aggro regs. Dont mean they are bots.

    My vpip is slightly above that, but otherwise my stats fit right in. Fairly sure I am not a bot
    There is the squeeze/3B ratio and BB/SB 3bet ratio, that is pretty rare among "normal" regs... all of those stats have to be in the range. You are pretty far to fit to this color coding.

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    Old 06-08-2015, 03:52 PM   #294
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    some good stuff and a lot of ****ty stupidly expressed speculations in here. ty for highlightning this!
    u guys who expresses and feels like u r certain about your thing in here, check yourselves, would u bet a big amount on this being the truth? do u have any evidence? otherwise, EXPRESS IT!

    a lot of silly claims. as ppl has said, lets make this properly without any speculations of the kind there has been here.

    pastafiore for example, wtf. your hard claims without any proper explanations are something to be ashamed of.




    some of my knowledge.
    i personally dont think F.edorZayse.v or S.amanta.81 are bots or cheaters of any kind (any more at least) although there are suspicious stuff lurking around them.
    They played extremely alike stats a year+ ago, then they just stopped playing each other. this was a while after ive asked them in the chat if they knew each other without any answer (if i remember correctly)
    nowadays samanta plays a completely different kind of game from what ive seen. (shuller_alt said earlier in this thread for those who missed that samanta has a frequently updated blog)
    fedor is weird by only playing reg 6-max tables between the stakes 200-1k for a long time, no deep or zoom until recently when i saw in the lobby (i dont watch this pool more than once every two weeks probably) that he 2-tabled 200 zoom.
    this is what ive observed and experienced.

    ive played about 4M hands of PS omaha since november 2012 and is still waiting for my first refund, unheard of? =)
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    Old 06-08-2015, 03:53 PM   #295
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    I've done a lot of coaching over the last couple of months, so I had to look at a lot of stats.
    The majority of my students 3bet more from BB than from SB (as suprising and illogical as it was to me), so it doesnt really show anything condemning
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    Old 06-08-2015, 03:53 PM   #296
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    dudes no matter if your "wife" is really your wife or just an alias for your 2nd account, can you just please stop this **** and keep the thread somehow clean? this is some really sick issue so we should put trolling/joking aside for a moment and concentrate on the important stuffs. ill go ahead and send this thread with a smallish text to the stars support and hope other high volume 100+ players do the same.

    Ok I agree and thank you. I know it's no joke when this has been going on a long time.

    Best wishes.
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    Old 06-08-2015, 03:59 PM   #297
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    There is the squeeze/3B ratio and BB/SB 3bet ratio, that is pretty rare among "normal" regs... all of those stats have to be in the range. You are pretty far to fit to this color coding.
    You are right. I dont squeeze enough.

    However, that wasnt my point. This is huge and potentially a bit of a scandal. But lets not go around accusing anyone who is aggressive.

    The banned accounts have a lot of common traits. Most notably they are russian or from another country from the former Sovjet. So lets start by cutting Canadian and Hungarian accounts a break before we put them out to try for being bots.
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    Old 06-08-2015, 04:03 PM   #298
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    It appears to be a consensus among a lot of the regs that fedor is really awful and constantly makes bad plays. Now either he just knows something we don't and we are all wrong, or there is something shady going on.

    Oh and I don't play HU almost ever but there have been a couple times when I've gotten HU with Fedor after everyone else has left that table and he has sat me out after not too long saying "Brb" or something along those lines. I can't remember a time when he actually came back and played after that, but I may also have left the table some times before he got a chance.

    I always thought this was a bit odd because I generally only played him HU when I was tilting or stuck a bunch since I don't consider myself to be a very strong HU player. I thought it was weird he was leaving during our HU because he was generally crushing me when this was going on. This could be nothing but curious if anyone else has had a similar experience with him
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    Old 06-08-2015, 04:04 PM   #299
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    You are right. I dont squeeze enough.

    However, that wasnt my point. This is huge and potentially a bit of a scandal. But lets not go around accusing anyone who is aggressive.

    The banned accounts have a lot of common traits. Most notably they are russian or from another country from the former Sovjet. So lets start by cutting Canadian and Hungarian accounts a break before we put them out to try for being bots.
    4somniare is listed as Germany btw, but he's the most suspicious IMO.
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    Old 06-08-2015, 04:07 PM   #300
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    You are right. I dont squeeze enough.

    However, that wasnt my point. This is huge and potentially a bit of a scandal. But lets not go around accusing anyone who is aggressive.

    The banned bots have a lot of common traits. Most notably they are russian or from another country from the former Sovjet. So lets start by cutting Canadian and Hungarian accounts a break before we put them out to try for being bots.
    I don't think country is that big of a tell.
    Bot operators have to find identities from all around the world.

    That list wasn't supposed to be a statement just to narrow down the field.
    Two guys so far who found themselves on the list didn't seem pissed.

    If someone on the list wants I can remove them from the screenshot.

    (Not the point but even removing squeeze ratio wouldn't give you that color.)

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