Conspiracy theories more likely.

If you 4tabling zoom its better to be quick!

Guys, just a quick heads up while we wait for Pokerstars...

I've spotted an account, that based on stats, almost certainly is a bot. The postflop frequencies are close to the previous spotted bots with 20/26 within a 2% interval.

The worst part: The account was reported first time in the spring 2015.

This atrocious to hear and makes me really wonder wtf is going on at that company and the ****ing regulators.

"At your request, we have conducted a review of this player’s profile, and it is PokerStars’ view that this player does not show any indication of being a bot based upon all the information we have available. Of course, we will continue to monitor our games and should evidence of any prohibited program use surface in the future, we will be sure to take the appropriate action in order to protect the integrity of our games."

Hmm, I might be wrong...

I am not so sure it's you who is wrong there

Reply to them and ask if they asked him to do a video of himself playing like they seem to want from some other accounts. If not then strongly request for it as you are sure that he is a Bot

I've mailed PS with stats/details and sent a pm to Schwein

Hello,

Thank you for contacting us. Your email was escalated to me as a manager in the PokerStars Game Integrity Team.

You do not sound rude to me by any means. On the contrary, we appreciate your efforts in assisting us protect the integrity of our games, and I do recall exchanging emails with you in the past relating to this matter.

I'm unable to divulge specifics on our investigation into the account 'XXX' as our strict privacy policy precludes me from doing so, and because the revelation of certain details may jeopardise our ability to detect certain prohibited activity. I can however tell you that the key identifying characteristics of accounts that we have barred for Terms of Service violations are not present on this account. Of course, we expect that those who seek to break our rules will always be looking for new ways to circumvent detection, but there are certain fundamental differences and exonerating factors in this account that led us to our conclusion.

I am also able to tell you that we have dedicated resources reviewing sitewide playing statistics, allowing us to proactively investigate any anomalies or irregular behaviour, as well as compare any accounts reported by players such as yourself with the rest of the site.

Finally, it may interest you to know that we have barred accounts for Terms of Service violations despite them being able to provide a video of their play. In numerous instances, the players in question were able to comfortably demonstrate their play (playing with a strategy that matched their past play), but the demonstration failed to mitigate any of the convicting evidence we collected.

I hope this helps put your mind at ease. We will of course continue to monitor the situation, and if any evidence of a rules breach is found in the future, appropriate action will be taken.

Regards,

Ian Y
PokerStars Game Integrity Team

Well, at least it feels good to receive a real, actually written for you, email.

Yeah definitely, because good feels are so much better than cold hard facts.

Betonline is full of bots

Any update Richas?

Could this player be a possible bot?


He is playing a couple of PL050 tables with high c-bet% und very high AF for this level...

That's not a bot and your samplesize is way too small

Was there ever an official statement about this? How it went undetected, what upgrades in security have been made so it doesn't happen again or isn't currently happening? This thread is hidden away, should be in NVG

Those of you who see the news below may be tempted to submit on these void bets/compensation payments, underpayments and the like. There will be a bit more news in the next week or so re compensation transparency so my advice would be to check it out but wait a few days for the extra info. Sorry if that is cryptic but I have agreed to maintain confidences until then - I just would not want people to jump too quickly.

Investigation launched by the UK Competition and Markets Authority working with the UKGC available here:

https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/online-gambling

There are numerous maainstream UK media articles on this but none improve on the press release here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/c...nline-gambling

AS for the seriousness/powers of this - The CMA have huge powers and can levy fines of up to 10% of global turnover - they never get near to that, the highest I recall is £45m for a drug company racket to do with generic (off patent) drugs.

FFS boys and girls!

Do you not get that if you think you were not compensated fully, this is your absolute last chance. Given one operator paid **** All when £1m was seized of the cheat, and likely Neteller got repaid their commission payments they were happy to pay for real trade and you aren't helping out here.

How the **** is that +ev for you and why the **** am I wasting my time raising this with the CMA and the UKGC (again and again) with no chance of me seeing a dime.

Finish the damn job. Please, somebody - HELP! Make the damn firms answer questions from the regulators.

If you want their money and a fine imposed to punish them for being shysters, please help.

The problem is, given the lack of information from the sites then players have very little information to go on. If they don't confirm players who were reported have been banned, even though you don't see them again, then it's difficult to pin anything on them. Maybe at mid stakes and above there's an incentive for players to do more digging but at the micros players just tend to accept it.

It's in the thread! It was 2+2 peeps that caught him. They did it on two sites. One paid players, the other did not.

It is not our job to prove the right payments were made, it is our job to put up two cases, one from each site, that the CMA can investigate.

Over £1m was distributed - the CMA has the power to find out how. I suspect the "good" poker firm reclaimed at least the rake. The "Bad" firm took the cash for itself entirely and the payment processors ended up better off having bribed a cheater and got refunded so much that they made MORE than if it was legit play.

We don't need to prove it now - Neteller - I-Poker, 888 are the ones being investigated by the UK government. FFS at least give me something to put to them so they have to investigate where the £1m+ seized by the courts went!

Haven't read the thread, it's pretty massive. Are you saying Stars paid out and Party didn't?

Apologies, I actually meant to post on the Darren Woods cheating scandal thread, I'd had a few beers so was ranting about that.

Meanwhile yes, last time I heard Stars had made some small repayments presumably using funds seized from their accounts and party had not. The £1m court seized assets and a firm still not paying compensation was the Dooshcom/Woods case.

Raising the failure to compensate here with the CMA is also important. Players caught the cheats, the firms have compensated just seized funds - not the rake they pocketed from the corrupted games they failed to detect - they are profiting from corrupted games.

Is this true for the PLO botring in PokerStars? Can anything be done about that?

Its perverse if the sites have incentives to keep the bots in the games (worst case they have to pay bot winnings back - not rake earnings).

Party did make a small payout recently but it was all rather shady imo. I'd questioned them about refunds as it was obvious that some of the bots were being banned after being reported and yet there was no refunds to players. The two biggest winners in my database were banned. W
hen they made the change to anonymous hand histories and people were querying their ability to catch bots now that the players couldn't find them they suddenly announced there would be refunds. The payouts were small but I never got an explanation as to why they had suddenly decided to process them at this point in time. It seemed like a PR exercise given the heat they were taking about the hand history changes. Given all that though I've left the site this month and think quite a few others will also.

we can't know for sure because obviously stars never gives any details about compensation process, but it is of course true. Otherwise we would have been compensated millions (yes, really, millions)