He didn't talk about that.

We at Poker innovations are a little unsure of the point you wish to make because the final paragraph seems to contradict the previous ones.
However we sympathise with you and other players in your obvious frustration over the bot problem.

Your statement that regulators are not problem solvers is correct but nor is it their job to be so. Implying that regulators and security departments are not smart people is a somewhat unfair because you correctly state "that the bots +their creators are really smart people" . Labelling an office worker as being far below average intelligence when they may not have been given the correct tools to do the job is also unfair.

Your statement that some serious brains are required to solve this problem is spot on although not perhaps by the types of people you suggest.
You are also correct in stating that the bots and their creators have a huge financial incentive to do what they do.

To shed some further light on the situation it is clear that the poker sites are aware of how damaging bots are, and the long term threat bots present to online poker. It is our understanding from the industry that a number of other companies have also developed bot detection systems. This augers well for all online poker players.

I believe you are referring to the Paradise Poker issues way back when.

It is not regulators' role to solve the problem. What uniquely they can do though is provide te legal framework and prosecutions that add up to some form of deterrence. They can also help in sharing best practice within the industry, monitoring industry progress and chasing laggards to do more. They are also in the position of being able to share information and intelligence not just with the police but betwen operators.

For example the name, bank, address details of cheats can effectively be shared - the regulator has the right to this information, they can also ask other operators if the same cheats have accounts with them and ask that if so they are investigated. An individual operator cannot share such details.

They can also seek to seize money after it has left the sites by using money laundering and proceeds of crime powers that they have already. No operator can do this.

They could make the supply of bot software a prosecutable offence just by changing their interpretaion of "gambling software" to better match that in the law.

As for their "intelligence". Having met some and spent longer corresponding with them I am yet to find one that was below par in that area, indeed they show themselves to be engaged, motivated, sharp, intelligent. Quick to grasp issues. The problem is not their intelligence, it is partly a lack of resource and partly that they operate within tight rules of impartiality and with further restrictions on action without full consultation. They are bound in red tape not lack of wit.

They have a very difficult job. They are attacked by players, operators even MPs as a waste of money. Denigrated openly and yet they don't get to argue back, they just take it, devoid of allies and supporters everyone gets a free shot.

They are not dim, indeed one of their many problems is that the gambling industry regularly poaches their people precisely because they are bright capable people who when offered a freer rein and a bit more cash jump ship.

Having said that their intelligence married with a lack of significant action is hugely frustrating, not just to me but in many cases to them too.

Russian PTR stopped tracking zoom hands on Stars, now spotting bots in zoom pools is next to impossible?

Does anyone know who developed RTP? Perhaps they are involved or had an assignment to built bots too?

Did Schwein look over his stats?
Did you guys report him?

He is still playing...

I heard it was stars which stopped this data to be open to third party...

Sounds plausible.

Less exposure for them if they send rptr a cease and desist...like they did w ptr. identifying bots then becomes next to impossible for players which makes a headache for stars go away

Planet Poker was the very first of the online sites -- and the first to demonstrate the potential problems. See: http://pokersafety.blogspot.ca/2005/...-not-hoax.html

We at Poker Innovations concur with your conclusion that real time hole card sharing is highly likely in order to consistently crush the PLO games. You are almost certainly correct in believing that PLO bots are still a long way short of having the capability to destroy the game without human assistance. Bot manufacturers are undoubtedly working to solve this problem. The challenge to the poker industry is to prevent bots from operating causing their future development to be redundant.

Technology now exists to identify bots and any associated collusion.

when is stars going to compensate for the millions taken?

How can we personally help identify bots? Besides not participating in the chatbox, etc.

U guys think there are bots on 500z?I think yes.

thx!

A very pertinent question that concerns all regular online players. There is no recognisable single trait (to the best of our knowledge) that will enable a player to identify an online opponent as being a bot. This may sound discouraging but consider this fact. Mainstream bot manufacturer's have produced hundreds of different bot types (designed for use in a specific game) which in turn can be adjusted (by anyone with poker/computer expertise) to produce literally thousands of variations of the original bot. It should be apparent that all bot identification by the players would be an impossible task and for a site to rely on this would be to abrogate their responsibilities.

We do not wish to discourage yourself or other players from expressing reasonable concerns about suspicious activity. Indeed, well reasoned observations and comments would enable the appropriate bot/cheat detection tests to be applied in a timely manner.

If this is true it means that eiher

a) Stars' game security is extremely bad.
b) They knew that bots were playing, yet chose to do nothing.

Hey so are they into Zoom yet as far as we know? I have a couple very new accounts similar playing style as the one mentioned on last page.

We apologise for any lack of clarity in our previous post. We are simply saying that it would be an impossible task for the players to spot and identify bots in all of their forms and guises. It is doubtful that any site these days would consciously allow a proliferation of bots to operate for the simple reason it would destroy their business, as would lax security.

Report to stars asap. rPTR does not track zoom anymore.

When you send a mail to the support to report a player you suspect could be a bot and then ps investigate, does ps tell the suspected bot who reported him ?
It sounds silly but after I reported a player I had suspicions on, he started making the most insane plays vs me and being overall crazy aggro vs me... probably just being paranoid tho

Now theres the botproblem, people wonder if there are bots at zoom, and all over a sudden theres a softwarechange or sth so that ptr&friends are unable to scan zoom anymore, so not enough hhs to prove a suspect... COINCIDENCE???
Prolly stars did think very well and deeply about bots and onlinepokerbusiness and found an easy solution - they just deciced easiest way to get rid of botproblem is if nobody is able to spot and prove bots anymore....

even when you reply and spot they still don't do anything to compensate for all that was lost.

Sure is a coincidence

stars sucks dick

yet im still playing 500zoom. such is life