confirmed, no hands on rptr since then...

at least at rptr there isn't even one hand from him playing zoom! he just played ALWAYS plo50-200 - no other games, stakes at all.

Eventually Stars didn't and doesn't take more action against this sophisticated botting, for the same reason not every airplane carries parachutes for every passenger in case of an emergency: money. They made a risk calculation and concluded that the costs of employing a lot of people to fight this stuff, is higher than the loss they suffer from money taken out of games/bad PR.

Now I really hope this specific situation gets solved, but please, everyone, don't get your hopes up. When your plane goes down, there's not a parachute present. Even though there could very easily have been one.

ya I don't have any hands with him at 200z or 500z

still pretty annoyed at everything. again id like to thank you guys for all your hard work, very much appreciated and hoping stars can do something good and give us a decent refund

****in bots

Ivan, a parachute wouldn't help anyone in the vast majority of plane crashes. It's just a bad analogy.

Put these numbers in a chart form, and any idiot could tell that those three are the same bot playing.

You can almost pinpoint the exact moment when they start to run extremely lucky in the all-ins, especially on the last four charts. If dates of those points match, you can know the actual date when they started sharing hole cards.

What was released in October 2014?

Great graphs JI1

Well, obviously, the stats are never going to be exactly the same. So, it's obviously a matter of 'how close are they'.

And the PokerStars representative had two options, A - close enough and more work and B - not close enough and no more work for him. And he obviously chose the option B.

And also, now we see that some stats are not only the same, but also change (drastically) at the same moment in time.

Perhaps somebody know a way to represent the probability of all those stats matching with a single number?

Can stars freeze cashouts while letting the accounts play? Has that ever happened? Im wondering because all those accounts are still playing and i would be sick in my stomach if stars were approving cashouts as we speak. Freezing cashouts pending investigation seems like the right thing to do. You can let them playing as if they win $ but are found guilty the money will be refunded anyway. In the case they are legit grinders, well you let them with the opportunity to play. So for once, it some kind of freeroll for us. We cant lose anymore if they are found guilty, but we can still win.

Wow straate, thanks for your input. That sounds like some serious neglect by stars there...

Also a good find on these graphs Joey, it sure does suggest card sharing from that point onwards...

Stars may have felt they did not have enough proof to ban but that putting a ban on them sitting at the same table was appropriate. Players from the same address can even ask for such a block so that Stars don't note the address/IP and conclude they are colluding.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh....php?t=1538981

FYI
Stars will change the 3rd party software policy ( based on this story as well? Tldr)
Dont know the solution would be enough in a long term.

*Anyway lol scripting is still not prohibited.

Disgusting how so many of the banned accounts were reported way back and stars is just incompetent as **** wrt dealing with them

asking for help from someone with only rptr and hem2, fkn ridiculous. "industry leader in security" my ass

PokerStars Security and Game Integrity department really can't be this stupid and incompetent can they? Stars has more data and money than everyone to monitor and detect bots & cheating yet they let this go on for over 1yr, right now I picture a bunch of roided out meat heads at Stars Security not even knowing how to turn on a computer.

I think one of the lessons is very clear:
If you ever encounter something dodgy on PokerStars just make a thread about it! It seems that emailing them does not do the job.
And please forget the phrase "accusing innocent people", poker is getting ridiculously shady lately and it seems that only publicity can solve most of those problems!

Srsly. Time to contact regulators.

We should also contact them because of the amount that has been refunded.

I don´t get why stars is allowed to take away such high fees from the players and is not responsible for the financial damage those cheaters do to other players.

he was originally reported to poker stars in September 2012 along with six other accounts. 5 of them were banned. one of the two who continued to play stopped playing when I made a post about the scripting issue and how poker stars inability to stop it was the beginning of the end of online poker because they are openly admitting they cannot stop the bots. i referenced that account in the post. This same account I had poker stars Steve assure me in a pm exchange was not a bot because of the thorough investigation that the game integrity department completed.

Janne Juutilainen (Durian) released his first part of Defending the BB in Plo part1, Oct 3rd.

So the bot-maker also has runitonce account, watches the videos and makes the changes to his bot... so anyone still thinks making these coaching videos is a good idea?

Just remembered something from last year that might or might not be relevant. Somewhere around October `14 I was invited to a Russian skype group by Drochba, a regular that has since then dropped down a Lot in volume, at least as far as I can tell. I didnt stay in this group for long but I remember Samantha was one of the guys in it.

Looking really suspicious to me now

cashed out my stars roll. mostly not because of the botting incidences going on tbh, but bc of stars absurdly way to handle this situation.

osiasgriffin

edit: i really loved stars, software, promptly cashout, always games running etc... still best site for me by far, but i guess it´s time to take a break now. prob foolish to expect some kind of integrity in a business like online poker

Ok my wife has written to pokerstars on my behalf and I got a fairly honest reply so far.

It was a very detailed response from an integrity manager from pokerstars. They are still investigating all that is going on and they will update my wife ASAP.

As pokerstars Steve said give it 10 days and give pokerstars more time to evaluate what exactly is going on with these bots.

One thing that would be a huge indicator of collusion is for example Sergeaxx & fedorsayev and how many times considering how many tables they always sat together at went all-in against each other? This compared to the same amount of all-ins on other opponents. You could easily correlate that so far 27 suspected bots have been found by Schwein. What is the all-in statistics for all these suspected bots against each other whether or not they are from the same country. You can have one bot in the UK talking to one bot in Russia for example to try to hide collusion and they can still collude with seeing each other's cards in real time. The all-ins against each other I suspect is extremely low when blind stealing or two players bullying one player out of a pot. So hero raises to say $50 to be pot betted by bot one and bot 2 making hero think "oh shi-t I'll fold. But hero folding after the flop is another $50 for Team Bot.
I won't publish the email my wife received while pokerstars investigate their own way. My wife will be getting updates as I will use my mathematical & statistical skills to help her write to stars on her account as she is the one who is affected to the tune of $1000's

So bear with me on this one and as it's Friday I'm still at work.

Best wishes to all and lets eliminate any kind of cheating once and for all.

Well it's the barest I've seen PLO $1/2 and $2/4 in a very long time where Seargeaxx is still playing but in total only 4 tables are operating with what looks like a player boycott because one of the very worst suspected bots is still playing $1/2 PLO on all 3 tables and that's the lowest action I've seen in a very long time playing against a Dutch poker pro LOve2playu. Mr Seargeaxx alledged bot must have other ammunition up if sleeve if he's beating other well known pros unless the real person behind this account is a pro using his skills in bot programming.

We will wait and see.

No worries. These guys are watching our back

https://youtu.be/d5upxYyeoQ8

Seargeaxx is sitting on 3 tables at $1/2 and there have been sit outs. He has 4.5 buy ins at one table and nearly 3 buy ins stack at the other whilst sitting on his own at another and sitting with $200 at the next.

This will destroy poker if this guy is still allowed to carry on as no one wants to play him and they sit out and leave when he turns up and only a few recs I don't know are donating cash to him apart from lOve2play you being a pro from the Netherlands.

The PLO table desertion is all the way down in stakes too.

It's like a ghost town while we all wait for a resolution no one is playing these stakes till this alleged bot situation is dealt with and bots banned and decent compensation from a company who recently went on the Nasdaq stock market and shares doubled in price before going public and then doubled again when on the Nasdaq meaning the $5B AMAYA paid to buy pokerstars for $5B is now worth between $15-$20B
Due to first quarterly net profits of $283m and rising quarter by quarter by expecting that a profit by the end of the financial year could reach $1.5B net for a company they paid what seemed at the time a lot of money for priced at $5B. This is why Amayas shares went through the roof due to negative inflation in a few European countries making AMAYA shares a very good investment if you bought the shares upon them coming on to the Nasdaq from the start.

Well they have mentioned compensation payouts to my wife in an email My wife received and based on play and many other factors. She did state the middle hundreds upwards is a starting point as losing thousands is not a joke to her when doing well at the Lower stakes to be busted every time at $1/2 and above on moving up. She does not play differently than how she beats the lower stakes and I've analysed her stats and her all-ins with these bots and post flop when she's a 80 favourite she only wins 55% percent of the time? Massive mathematical difference of a deviation of 25% below norm.

Ok it's wait and see time.

Best wishes all and I must get back to work while wife degens more cash .