Played 10/10 today and I think it‘s a completely standard hand but anyways:

Just sat down with 2k, played a few hands then I get AAK7ds UTG. I raise to 40, call, call, Button pots to 220, I repot to 760 and he tank calls.

Villain is rather loose, stacks off lighter (still correct most of the times tough), likes to call 3bets/4bets in position. He covers me.

Pot is around 1540. Flop is 456r. I have 2 bdfd and a 7 blocker. I shove as I have like 1600 left and he snaps, obviously has 87.

Got coolered so many times yesterday, but I think it is just standard, still want to know what do you think about this hand?

EDIT: 4bet pot obviously...

Not obvious. If you were in Villain's shoes, you should be snapping with any two pair+. AAK7ds with 2 BDFDs has 53% equity vs that range.

Curious what his whole hand was though

If villain can put hero on obvious aces, he should be snapping with a wider range than that.

Of course he snaps with 2pair+, even most of his 1pair hands. With obviously I meant that of course he had me pretty much drawing dead instead of having 2pairs or worse so I have at least some equity.

He had 875x ds (dont want to post full hand as I am sure he reads this). I knew he was calling 4bets pretty light but after I saw his hand I felt pretty confident shoving on this flop, because he has such a wide range of hands.

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I guess he thinks that my 4betting range consists 90% of Aces and like 10% premiungs Kings or some ds rundowns.

Your options are shove, check/call, and check/fold, so in evaluating this hand, you have to consider what happens if you check. Check/call might be right if he bluffs hands like QJT9 when you check.

It might be standard to shove, but I doubt everyone works through the math to confirm the conventional wisdom.

Well I am pretty sure that I need to shove good Aces with backup/blocker (like my hand) and check weaker Aces from a GTO point of view. He is capable of bluffing but if he thinks i am only 4betting Aces he is probably shoving a lot of his range when checked to him. With what hands do I check call then? I would probably check weaker Aces, some rundowns which miss and straights.

T987, 9876, 8765

If these aren't in your 4B range, that means you have NO CHECK CALL RANGE.
Never check call AAxx here. Your hand isn't strong enough to risk giving a free card, and you should call off HU anyway.

Yes standard

My 4betting range: Aces, premium Kings, ds rundowns, hands like A678ds

With my 4betting range there is no way I can only shove good Aces with backup, but he probably thinks I am only 4betting Aces, so I need to shove a lot on the flop. As I said I think it is super standard but just felt weird because it seems so spewy..

You wouldn't check call AAxx against someone who would bet 100% of his range if checked to?

I don't know anybody who would actually do that though, so no

Well i need to check at least some Aces from a GTO point of view. If he thinks I only 4bet Aces i need to shove probably most flops to be honest. He checks back for sure some hands, but because he thinks I only 4bet Aces he will shove most hands when checked to him.

4bet and jam 100% SPR~1 with AAss+ is inexploitable and always +ev. There is literally no way for him to adjust, even if he knows you have AA 100% of the time

+1 that sums it up perfectly.

Sucks villain hit the board hard OP but the same spot a million times over you're printing money here.

Really, any time a player will bet with some hands that he wouldn't call a bet with, betting and checking may have a different EV. It's pretty easy to say shoving seems EV and leave it at that, but a more intellectually rigorous method is to consider all possibilities. This is a simple situation and if we want to be the best player we can be, we owe it to ourselves to develop good habits.

We can solve this hand for this particular villain, but then we can consider if there are ways to exploit other villains. Against an opponent who will bet straights and sets but check behind with two pair and pair+straight draw type hands, should we still bet or should we check? This is a real villain profile that I have been up against, so I think it is a worthwhile question to ask. If we check and a player bets all hands they would call a shove with plus some hands they would fold to a shove, how many of those bluffs to they need in their range to make check/calling a more +EV line than betting out?

There's another side to consider in that there may be a number of hands that they check the flop with that they would fold to a jam that have equity on our AA.

We also have to consider when a hand checks through and they fold to a turn jam with hands they would call a flop jam with.

You're truly on about some SUPER fps in this thread... this is the easiest flop shove ever.

??? people need to stop using GTO if they aren't doing any game theory calculations/know how to do game theory calculations. I'm assuming you're trying to protect your checking range by having a c/c range which aces would be in. Everyone in this thread is saying you shouldn't have a c/f range so this is irrelevant and if they aren't they're idiots. just jam 100% of range OTF spr is <1 and he calls prob less then 50% on this flop. 10% range has <25% equity vs aa 70% of time as shown in link. if you want to actually construct a range you will see his equity is going to be bad vs your range a large % of the time.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...2=aa&s=generic

if you're advocating your strategy is check/calling flop and jamming every turn it could be better but your villain is probably an idiot so there is that. In 10-10 against the villain described you're probably making a mistake. If he has even a simple strategy he should be doing better then you jamming all flops.

Well if I only 4bet Aces i shove 100% BUT if I have a wider 4betting range I NEED to check some Aces in order to protect my other ranges

nah you really don't... just check really good hands..., like sure maybe some aces but prolly only ones that smash this board

Yeah... and this is why people like that "**** gto" kid think gto is bad or w/e, ppl really just think it's "do a little bit of everything all the time with whole range, calling mdf with whole range"

this simulation is useless since 10% is super high card heavy, you're flipping vs any 4 why not make a graph for that?

a competent button's 3-bet range will look nothing like 10%

with that said, shove is still best in vacuum