The game- 1/2 blinds with a bring in of 5. 7 handed. The game has just started being spread within the last few weeks at this small card room and only runs once a week. Everyone in the game is weak with the exception of one of the villians. Most of the table is pretty deep.

V1-MAWG. The only solid player in the game. First time playing with him. Only been playing together for a few hours. The read that he is solid is based on his VPIP/usually playing IP/good bet sizings (I think)/always keeps track of the pot/quickly calculates pot raises. He's playing tighter than the rest of the table (rest of tables VPIPs is probably like 80-90%) but not that tight. Playing a lot IP and not very much OOP. Bought in for 500 and has ran it up to ~1300.

V2-Older whale business owner. I have played a decent amount of NLHE with him and he is pretty nitty/passive in that game but seems like he is better at PLO than NLHE. Opens a lot in late position (button especially) and plays fairly straightforward post flop. He covers the table.

Hero-The only kid at the table. Been drinking. Novice to PLO but I dont think anyone knows that. Plays a lot of NLHE. Visiting from out of town and have only played here a few times but never PLO. Opening a lot from all positions except the blinds. Aggressive post as well. Stack ~1400.

The hand-
UTG (LAG whale) puts out the 5
Hero UTG+1 raises to 15 with KKQQds
Folds to V1 in HJ who 3b to 40
V2 cold calls in CO
Folds back to hero

I want to pause the hand here with a few questions.

How should we range V1 here?
3bets have been rare in this game. This is like the 3rd one ive seen.
How should our range react vs his range in general and how about our hand specifically? ie flat or raise?
There definitely hasnt been any history of 4betting.
Does the whale being in the hand affect our decision? If so then how? (no history of his tendancies in a spot like this)

Totally forgot. The previous hand hero led 25 into 65 on 3cKc3s. V1 raised to 85 IP. Turn Ad. Hero c/c 100. River Qc. Hero crai from 250 to ~800. V1 snap mucks. Pretty sure this was literally the hand right before the OP. Also wonder if this hand should influence the dynamic of hand in question.

Call.

4bet

Don't worry so much of exactly ranging players in a live 1/2/5 game, they can show up with all sorts of sporadic stuff at any point in time.
Yeah, not every AA combo is getting 3bet I'm guessing either, more flatting for deception or whatever they want to call it.
You should 4bet because your hand is awesome, even if raised again.
You can 4bet smaller than pot to entice the whale to stay in. $110 looks fine.

lol'd.

Post the whole hand. I don't like these subscription model threads.

why?

ya i like this

So hero chose to 4b to 160. V1 pretty quickly 5b to 500. Whale folds. Back to us..this is where I felt like my lack of PLO knowledge came into play. I really wasn't sure if either folding or jamming was clearly better than the other. I ended up shipping it in pretty quickly because I felt like it just couldnt be that big of a mistake to ship and i felt like folding could possibly be a legit mistake but again I really have no idea. Also

I stopped at that point cause I felt like it was the most interesting part of the hand. The rest is up.

You have lack of PLO knowledge but decide to 4b against a solid player who then 5bets. Now you don't know what to do? Listen to yourself.

Yep
That's why I'm looking for insight into that spot in the OP

Everyone dies but not everyone truly lives.....

KKQQ double suited..... Let's play for stacks. Hand is too good to fold and his experience with beat you post flop on a lot of boards.

Jam it back.

OP you will not win in this livegame and should maybe read a pokerbook and buy a calculator and then play plo2 online.
everyone else in this thread should be banned.
1/2 isnt even highstakes plo and most ****ing hands here arent either. livefullring plo is the unchallenging pokergame ever invented and you need an IQ of under 80 to beat it.

please ban everyone.

ps you call after the ****ing 5bet holy ****, ****ing ******s everywhere I hate you all.

were gonna flat like 40% of the eff stack?

I actually agree but HSPLO in this forum is listed as 2/4 and up and this is 1/2/5

That's ok I'm just playing to have a good time and I unfortunately don't know how to read

Our hand doesn't run well against random AA** (only 40%) and that's a pretty likely hand once villain 3bets, given you say 3bs are rare and this guy is relatively tight compared to the table. I prefer flatting over 4betting. The problem with 4bet is we get 160 in when we're ahead, but we get repotted when we are behind.

The 6bet shove is just spew though. It's effectively calling off $1140 into a final pot of ~$2600 when we have 40% equity, it's worse than folding. Flat the 5bet, get the money in whenever you flop any sort of equity, a gutshot + BDFD + set draws is enough against AA**

Why we are iso for less then pot?

I still fail to see any logic behind raising the 3b ... how isnt calling the only viable option here???

yeah 4-betting this live is probably less than optimal you're blocking most of the non-AA hands live players 3-bet with and we're not doing so hot vs AA

You mean outside of getting an ideal/good SPR with double suited KKQQ?

SK got it spot on.

Villain very well could be steaming, thus I'm guessing AQxx single suited or something of that nature. This is def a spot for a call, unless of course you are wanting to make a statement. Drinking usually helps with that. The statement being... I'm crazy enough to get it in pre-flop on you bish! lol That will help slow 3 and 4 bets with lesser ranges in future play.

Ds KQ is a tough hand to play post flop, especially when the board hits low (or ace hits). You still are not drawing to nut flushes and straights are much tougher hits as well. Pretty hand, but pretty limited. Even if the flop comes KQx, your'e playing mercy to draws with little chance of boating up.

You're just looking to nail the flop then extract as much as possible.

+1. I believe his hand has what is called lot of raw equity

Play flops not flips

Lol this

I don't think there is anything else to do here then to cal once you 4bet, you need i think around 33% equity to break even based on the pod odds i ques and your KKQQds Vs a range of 2,5%(that's all the pocket AA) you have 40% equity.
So posflop on all the flops I have my 33% equity I will stack off.
About the 4bet PF not sure how good it is, if he 3bets only AAxx AKKx and you don't have some reads on him that he can fold this kind of holdings on some run-outs I think flatting the 3bet is optimal imo.

I fail to see the logic in this thread being in the high stakes section of PLO. Also why are we ever jamming here pre?! You must hate money.