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04-15-2019, 08:55 AM   #26
BDHarrison
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by rand Yes, so clearly the nuts are in his range. The question is, whats the distribution. Just because he can have the nuts does not mean that he cannot also have a bluff...
Loose-passive players rarely bluff. I've also found that these sorts of players are usually not imaginative enough to represent a backdoor draw as a bluff. If he is truly loose-passive, he might be more likely to have a flush draw that made a hand like a set of sevens on the river that he is overvaluing than he is to have a bluff.

P.S. The fundamental theorem of poker is not always applicable to multi-way pots, of which there are many in PLO.

04-15-2019, 09:36 AM   #27
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 P.S. The fundamental theorem of poker is not always applicable to multi-way pots, of which there are many in PLO.
For example?

04-15-2019, 10:28 AM   #28
BDHarrison
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble For example?
After getting over half your stack in preflop with AAxx, you shove the flop against two deep-stacked opponents. Do you want the guy with two pair to raise and potentially knock out the guy behind him with an OESD and non-nut flush draw, which he would do if he knew that was all he faced, or do you want him to cautiously call and see what his opponent does?

According to the FToP, you lose when opponent acts the way he would if he could see your cards, but sometimes in a multiway pot, your opponent can act in a way that increases both of your equity at the expense of other players in the pot.

04-15-2019, 12:13 PM   #29
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by BDHarrison Loose-passive players rarely bluff. I've also found that these sorts of players are usually not imaginative enough to represent a backdoor draw as a bluff. If he is truly loose-passive, he might be more likely to have a flush draw that made a hand like a set of sevens on the river that he is overvaluing than he is to have a bluff. P.S. The fundamental theorem of poker is not always applicable to multi-way pots, of which there are many in PLO.
I was referring to pre-flop. I do not have a good hand. I see no reason to build a big pot with **** holdings.

I do like my implied odds though.

04-15-2019, 04:18 PM   #30
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by rand I am not judging, as in I dont mean anything by this. But I find it interesting that that is your take away from what I have written. I don't think it plays better multiway. I think my hand is more or less **** and I dont want to put 7 - 10% of my stack out there. In fact, while I hate this, I would probably have limp - folded to a real raise. IDK, maybe I would have called \$20 - 30. Basically, I have position and i am the best player at the table. That is the only reason I am seeing a flop.
Where is this game at?

04-15-2019, 10:09 PM   #31
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by rand River is the 7. Villian leads for pot (puts like all his colored chips out there, \$2k+). What I do not know, like at all, is his bluffing range or frequency / tendency, etc. I think he is capable of it, but don't know much more than that.
Is this at Lumi?
Fold pre, don't bet flop. As played, bet turn. In theory river is an easy call but in practice people don't rep this runout.

04-16-2019, 09:49 AM   #32
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 After getting over half your stack in preflop with AAxx, you shove the flop against two deep-stacked opponents. Do you want the guy with two pair to raise and potentially knock out the guy behind him with an OESD and non-nut flush draw, which he would do if he knew that was all he faced, or do you want him to cautiously call and see what his opponent does?
Trick question, villain is obviously going to raise his two pair anyway especially since you are marked for aces having reraised half your stack pre.

Also, why can't villain see everyone's cards? For it to be a proper theory of poker decision everyone's cards should be face up.

04-16-2019, 10:56 AM   #33
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by OmahaDonk Is this at Lumi? Fold pre, don't bet flop. As played, bet turn. In theory river is an easy call but in practice people don't rep this runout.
Yeah. Nothing wrong with folding pre or not betting the flop.

Honestly, those are the conservative plays. If you have a big being conservative is not a bad idea. No need to push the marginal spots.

Obviously, I did not take this approach.

04-16-2019, 10:56 AM   #34
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by TheProdigy93 Where is this game at?
Ha, love this comment.

Its in STL MO. Come and get some. Plenty of PLO here.

04-16-2019, 04:08 PM   #35
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble Trick question, villain is obviously going to raise his two pair anyway especially since you are marked for aces having reraised half your stack pre.
I play against a lot of passive lineups where more than half the table doesn't raise two pair in this spot.

04-16-2019, 04:15 PM   #36
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Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW

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 Originally Posted by rand Ha, love this comment. Its in STL MO. Come and get some. Plenty of PLO here.
Rand, I do get up to STL on business occasionally. Which casino is this at and which days/times does it spread? Thanks!

 04-16-2019, 11:46 PM #37 rand Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 314-oc Posts: 3,739 Re: I played an interesting hand: 1-2-5-10 MW Its at Lumiere, which is downtown. It runs most days. Best days are Fri / Sat.

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